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Janes
Stopping by to say hello to one of my favorite people!!
Maybe some of the issues you wrote about will have a solution in time, hopefully a very short time!
posted by
Offy
on February 2, 2006 at 9:11 PM
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Taps, it is such a huge problem with no easy answers.
I know many of these people just want to have a better life, want to work hard and get ahead. But many more, it would seem, are here for other reasons, are violent, increasing the numbers of gangs, trashing border property, etc. Not a good situation!
As always, thanks for stopping and commenting.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 2, 2006 at 12:37 PM
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JanesOpinion - It is easy to forget just how big this problem is until
one is reminded by an article such as this. Many of them end up here in Kansas City on our West Side, some coming up the bluffs from the rail yards. I used to do volunteer work at the Mexican Day Care Center and quite often when I would arrive at 0700 I would find "wetbacks" hiding in the stairwells waiting for breakfast and assistance.
posted by
TAPS.
on February 2, 2006 at 11:34 AM
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Jack, thanks for your thoughtful response . . .
in spite of the "dead end" you see here. I appreciate your input.
Sounds as if you have done some serious thinking regarding this complex situation. Perhaps you should get involved somehow to find some solutions. Perhaps you already are???
Thanks for stopping by.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 31, 2006 at 4:51 PM
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Janes,
I'm sorry if I seemed to be ''putting you in your place.'' I didn't mean to do that at all. And I realize that the media, and even our ''leaders'' do take an extremely simplistic approach to the solution of nearly all of our problems. Unfortunately, the public does the same thing.
The problem is that we cannot make do with simplistic patches that are totally ineffective in solving major problems. Until societies and their members come to that realization, we will never make progress.
Then, as was brought up in this comment section, jobs are being shipped to Mexico, so why do they come up here for work? But for the fact that it completely overlooks cultural differences, economic realities, national policies, and political interactions, it is a valid question. It is, however, a question that reflects no knowledge of the societal situation. It is knee jerk, microcosmic, reaction that has no relevence to the actual macrocosmic situation.
It's quite easy to say that all problems are that way, so we must proceed with a totally ineffective solution because we can come up with no other. Fine, but if we continue to apply nonsolutions and dismiss the problems without further thought, we do nothing but sink deeper into the muck of world catastrophe.
Say that there is nothing else that can be done if you wish, but if you want to continue with nonsolutions, you are as well off doing nothing and stopping the waste of your time in discussing such matters.
The choice is yours. I'm not ''putting you in your place,'' I am simply attempting to get you to accept the realities of a belief in simple solutions.
Please don't take what I say as a personal affront. I only contest what you have in this particular entry, and what I see commonly among bloggers and the general public. Unless we take more open minded, thoughtful, relevency encompassing, approaches to our problems we are condemned to live with consequences which will be no more controlled than earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. That is exactly what I expect to see, and am quite surprised at myself for becoming involved in this dead-end discussion.
With that said, I fold. I'm out of this game.
posted by
Jack_Flash
on January 31, 2006 at 12:45 AM
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Jane's which is worse the loads of people or ice that comes through?
If we send our factories down there why isn't there work there?
posted by
Justi
on January 30, 2006 at 7:52 PM
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Well, Jack, it seems you have put me in my
supposed place. Whatever that is.
Fact is, the same could be said for the millions of complex problems this old world is facing. There are no easy answers, and reams of paper could be spent analyzing each individual problem, and yet . . . news people still manage to condense into short soundbites. And that was sort of my attempt here.
Thanks for stopping and commenting.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 30, 2006 at 6:41 PM
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Offbeats, I'm betting you'll have no trouble finding work
with a knowledge of Arabic. Wow!!!!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 30, 2006 at 6:37 PM
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Janes,
I have lived in Arizona for years, and I can assure you that there are no simple solutions to the illegal alien problem. You could take all of the small-time smugglers out and shoot them, and the problem would not begin to be solved. Line them up, shoot them, napalm their vehicles on the Air Force Gunnery range, and the problem would still be there.
You haven't touched the surface to the problems that exist. Racism is a massive part of it that causes problems for everyone involved. Simplistic solutions are never an answer. Although you touched upon a number of areas in your blog, you went into depth in none.
Don't rely on simplism. We have Border Vigilantes who do more than enough of that. 
jack
posted by
Jack_Flash
on January 30, 2006 at 5:32 PM
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Janes
Arabic...the men are taking the course for the same reasons I am...all relative to engineering terminology. I will see Babylon and Petra before I die!
posted by
Offy
on January 30, 2006 at 5:19 PM
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Offbeats, sounds like you'll have
plenty of men at the ready to charm! I'm glad it's going well. What are you studying?
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 30, 2006 at 5:16 PM
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Flame-thrower, there are so many different sides to consider --
I do think about the Mexicans who are living in the depths of poverty, and can totally appreciate how they would risk all to cross over illegally; however, at the same time, we in this country have more people slipping into poverty. We cannot ignore them! Nor can we ignore the officers being shot at, the hospitals along the border going bankrupt . . . . . Like I said, so many different angles, perspectives, issues, etc!
Thanks for stopping by.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 30, 2006 at 5:15 PM
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wislon, you've made an excellent point!
Walmart contractors and others who break the law by hiring illegals should be cracked down on.
Thanks for mentioning that!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 30, 2006 at 5:13 PM
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Janes
So far so good..I am off today and tomorrow. It is odd being back in the classroom! Plus I am the only woman, but everyone seems real nice!
posted by
Offy
on January 30, 2006 at 3:19 PM
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Thank you very much. I never thought it that way. But now that you have mentioned it, I will give it another tough thoughts. Once again thank you and God Bless
posted by
Flame-thrower
on January 30, 2006 at 8:31 AM
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People smuggling is big business all over the world
You can't stop it while there is a demand for cheap illegal labour. Fining the drivers is a start, but fining the American employers of illegal labour would do a lot more good and would mean people had less reason to cross the border.
posted by
wislon
on January 30, 2006 at 3:01 AM
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And yes, I would concur.
The fines could stand to be doubled, at the very least!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 29, 2006 at 9:08 AM
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Thanks Lucy!
How are your studies going????
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 29, 2006 at 9:07 AM
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Janes
Good idea! I really liked your suggestions. Human cargo in that area has been going on for many years. It's very sad, but as sad as it is, it needs to stop! Frankly I don't think the new fines for these offenses to be hard enough. Good post as usual my dear!!
posted by
Offy
on January 29, 2006 at 8:22 AM
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