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By the way,
Just to help everyone out, this is the comment Jane's comment about dementia was a reply to.
"No, I am not joking when I say that ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THAT THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END IS MENTALLY DISTURBED. I've worked in a nursing home and have seen it all myself. That kind of illness is different than what I am talking about. My guess is you have not actually studied any psychology at all then. Mental illness is not just people who have no clue as to where they are or what the date is. I've only taken a few college psychology classes myself and I know this simple fact very well. Mental illness is more commonly unnoticeable unless you really listen to people who are mentally ill. Those who wish for a doomsday scenario to happen and are positive that it will happen during their life time are mentally ill. I still have yet to be presented with any evidence at all to show me otherwise."
Could someone please so me where I talk about dementia in that? I can't find it.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 4, 2006 at 6:20 PM
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Janes
Maybe it is logic and reasoning that you do not understand.
In the post in question I was talking about MENTAL ILLNESS. Not once did I ever use the term or mention Dementia in at all. You then go and start talking about dementia and finishing up be telling me I am clueless about mental illness because I had said nothing about he facts about dementia, never mind that I had said nothing at all about the condition.
There was no logic at all to you talking about dementia. The only reason for you to have brought it us was either you were clueless as to what I was talking about, or you just wanted to try and discredit me.
For all to see, here is your actual comment
"And regarding mental health, what, you worked as an aide in a local nursing home? Good for you. I have had multiple psych courses in college, and post graduate. Not only do I see dementia but I also deal with major mental health diagnoses on a regular basis, including depression and schizophrenia. But if YOU REALLY HAD A FRICKIN CLUE you would know that dementia is listed in the DSM-IV TR (bet you haven't even heard of this, but it's the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" and is the Bible for psychiatrists) as a psychiatric mental health diagnosis. Yeah, you got it. Dementia is a psychiatric diagnosis, same as schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder. And YOU are so damned ARROGANT and OBNOXIOUS to say that I don't know what I'm talking about, when YOU have just PROVEN WITHOUT A DOUBT YOUR STUPIDITY."
Why did you start talking about dementia as if I had mentioned it and was going on about it?
If I were talking about books that thought were bad and you started talking about say Tow Sawyer when I had not once said a single word about that book, and then went off about how great a book it is and how it was well written would you then use that logic to say that I know nothing about books? If I have not talked about something it does not mean I have no knowledge of it. Can you not understand why I see a lack of understanding coming from you?
You claim I knew nothing about dementia when I had said nothing at all about dementia, just mental illness. You then tried to use this 'psycho-fact' that you created in your mind about me not knowing anything about dementia to back up you desire to paint me as having no knowledge about psychology at all. Please just try to see that his made no sense and showed a huge lack of understanding on your part.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 4, 2006 at 6:14 PM
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Regarding English skills, or lack thereof, Kooka,
I made a whole hearted attempt to explain the concept of dementia as a mental health disorder to you, but you had nary a clue and seemed completely unable to comprehend. For the umpteenth time, all I was trying to say was that dementia is within the umbrella of mental disorders, and you disagreed with that, so then I attempted to point you to the DSM-IV-TR, the latest and greatest "Bible" on psychiatric issues (since dementia is addressed as a psych disorder in this "bible"), and you still had no clue. So I gave up. In fact, I'm sure you've written a comment in that particular blog (where this particular argument occurred) and I never went back, I was so fed up with a discussion that was going NOWHERE!
Now, regarding appearing hateful, yes, some of your blogs and comments definitely incite me to some degree of wrath! But also for the umpteenth time, Kooka, I do not wish to consign you to hell nor do I consider you an immoral atheist (or whatever the heck you wrote in your last comment). You have said enough about yourself to lead me to believe that you must be a decent guy.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 3, 2006 at 6:29 PM
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Janes
If your skills are that much better than mine (Which I see no proof of) then why do you have such a hard time actually understanding the words I use?
To be honest what I know ti to be is that you prejudged everything I say and really are not reading my comments. You instead have already decided that because I wrote it you know what I am saying.
You still have yet to explain to me where you strange rant about delirium came from in one of my comments sections. I was talking about one thing, you go into to talking about something else that has nothing to do with what I was saying, and then tell me I am so stupid for now knowing what you are talking about. It would be like me talking about fruits in general and you coming and telling me all about the pineapple then make the claim that I know nothing about pineapples, even though the post itself made no mention of pineapples.
You are playing the same kind of game here. You jut have something against me and are going all out to not actually read my comments, but childishly discredit everything I say, no matter what it may be. I guess in your mind since I am an 'evil, immoral atheist' you have every right to treat me like crap and put me down like a school yard bully. If I stand up for myself and my beliefs, you go and mock me and discredit me and try to get others to laugh at me.
Just try to read my comments and posts without your preconceived ideas about me. I know that will be hard to do and I really am not expecting it to happen. But it is clear that you have not been doing such and just wish to remain angry (Boarding on hateful) at me because I am unable to believe as you do.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 3, 2006 at 9:37 AM
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Kooka, why is it you feel such a strong urge to be
such a horse's a__? Carry on being a jerk, if it makes you feel better.
My English skills, as evidenced in previous posts and comments, are worlds beyond yours, so back off buddy.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 3, 2006 at 4:32 AM
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I am so sorry Janes
I was not at all aware you had such problem understanding english.
I my comment I thought I clearly showed how my comments you had written this post about were directed at all beliefs which follow any kind of end of the world concept, not just Christianity, since there are many out there who believe in such things and not all are Christians and not all Christians take the book of Revelation literally. I also though I had pointed out that it was not Christians themselves where the mental illness was, but in the need to believe in the end of the world. Then I finished the comment up by replying that yes, to some degree all religions do require a level of mental illness to believe in them.
Now I know I did not say this directly and I guess that is where you got confused. Maybe I just need to be more direct in my replies to you in order to help you understand what I am saying better.
I thought I had clearly stated my answer to your question, but for some reason you did not understand it.
Either you have some issue regarding the English language or you seem to read things into my writing here that are not there. We keep running in circles because of this strange gap in communications we have. Maybe you should try to read my comment without the preconceived ideas you have about atheists and actually read what I say, instead of believing it all to be an attack.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 2, 2006 at 8:03 PM
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Gome, you've got me laughing!
The rapture of the Church will be people -- not buildings, although wouldn't that be a sight to behold -- flying buildings like saucers soaring up to heaven. "Agh, watch out for that steeple, it almost poked my eye out!"
Anyway, yes, the Rapture will be the physical removal by God of those who put their trust in Christ. Notice I said "trust in Christ" versus Christians. Many assume they will go to heaven because they call themselves a Christian, but have not given their life to God. So ergo, many who have not called themselves Christian but have searched for God with all their heart . . . in the end it is God who will make that call, and He will be just and fair!
Thanks for stopping by.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 27, 2006 at 6:35 PM
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Uh, Kooka, my comment was "if you're going to call Christians
mental" . . . . In a paragraph closer to the bottom I said "So are these people crazy too? Or is it just Christians who are loony tunes?" -- I should have phrased that "or is it just Christians who are accused of being loony tunes?" -- Is that better?
I absolutely don't believe that Christians are mental, delusional, confused or what have you -- except for those in the population who, like many non-Christians, have that dreaded psychiatric diagnosis.
Thank you for having the guts to stop in and comment!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 27, 2006 at 6:28 PM
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Thanks, JPT.
Our beliefs are personal and for many, communal, too, although in the end, when we meet our maker, our beliefs will be very personal -- just me ang God!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 27, 2006 at 6:23 PM
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Taps, thank you for that beautiful response and excellent reminder!
I will respond to the rest later. I'm still at work . . . .
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 27, 2006 at 2:44 PM
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Whatever a Person Believes, in My Opinion is Personal
People differ and hold different views. Never let the views of others disturb you, for expressing opinions, which are neither right or wrong, yet do hold some truths.
posted by
Dr_JPT
on January 26, 2006 at 10:46 PM
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JanesOpinion
"Consider it pure joy....whenever you face trials of many kinds (ie: kooka and gomedome), because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance." James 1:2-3 I think its kind of neat when non-believers think I'm nuts because of my belief in the Bible and its teachings. Their protests tell me I'm on the right track. LOL
posted by
TAPS.
on January 26, 2006 at 9:20 PM
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JanesOpinion -- maybe you could help me out with this one
Yes all of the beliefs from other religions that you describe in your post are pretty well all crazy, nuttier than loons. But you ask about the Rapture of the church; Is this an accurate description of what this rapture is: Jesus will come in the air, catch up the Church from the earth, and then return to heaven with the Church.
What's crazy about this? Other than I don't think that they are talking about flying church buildings...or are they? Now this rapture, does it have to come at the end times? Couldn't Jesus just come and "catch up" certain people to get them out of our hair? We could spare a "church" or two couldn't we? I'd even vote for it if it didn't include blowing up the earth.
posted by
gomedome
on January 26, 2006 at 8:53 PM
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Actually Janes
I very clearly said 'ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THAT THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END IS MENTALLY DISTURBED'. That goes well beyond just Christians. Is your ego so big that you figure only your group has the rights to these beliefs? If I had replaced 'anyone' with say 'Muslims' or 'Catholics' my guess is you would be agreeing with me fully, saying that those groups are disturbed and not really care about the end of the world part of it.
I have also in the past made it clear that I think a lot of things other than Christianity are foolish to believe in, such as astrology and fortune telling. in fact I am generally much more to the point on how foolish I find those things than most of the aspects of Christian beliefs. And I would put the idea of reincarnation as an idea I think is silly. It is just as silly as believing in Noah's Ark or the Garden of Eden. Are religious beliefs mental illnesses? You just more or less said they were here, if they are not yours. That is very revealing actually.
Do you find reincarnation harder to believe in than the story of Noah's ark? They hold equal credibility after all and both are about as far fetch as it gets.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 26, 2006 at 8:26 PM
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