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Come on in you can be a charter member. The power of your voice is strong if only heard sporadically. We need it on here. BB
posted by
Justi
on October 14, 2005 at 8:25 PM
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Hi Justsouno,
I have no plans to shut up anytime soon. So when may I join your club? (That said, my attendance will be spotty at best thanks to my work schedule.)
Thanks again for stopping by!!!! 
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 14, 2005 at 8:12 PM
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Janes
With this plethra of information on concepts I am sure you will not use soon, I should think you are totally educated and may be ready to join me in the "They want us to shut up and sit down club". BB
posted by
Justi
on October 12, 2005 at 8:01 PM
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Janes
These kids are going to have problems no matter what if their parents are not involved in their lives. If anything the sex clubs would provide a cleaner, safer and better alternative than becoming a street prostitute.
It makes it no easier, since there are already strip clubs out there and people making porno movies. Such sex clubs would be safer for those people looking to do such things than the streets. There are still age limits and all the basic protection that would be involved. Most likely such clubs would have some real strict regulations to them about cleanliness and testing for STDs and drug use. It would be much better than letting these young girls get hooked on drugs and controlled by pimps.
I personally have been to strip clubs and found them to be entertaining. I never viewed the strippers as anything but attractive women. I did not for a moment think less of them because they went and decided to make money by entertaining in such a manner. I showed respect for them and would never judge them harshly if I saw them outside the clubs. They are providing a service that people are willing to pay for. For someone with the right mindset it is a great job that makes them a good living.
I think you do not fully understand that this is not a ruling that says anything goes. People are not going to be able to just walk in off the street and join in. This will be people hired by the location to put on the show. As for all the situations you mentioned, if people want to go and have sex with strangers, they do not need a special place to do that. Most can just go to a bar and pick up someone that will jump their bones for a night. I've heard of women picking up strange guys at gas stations and going to a motel for a quickie.
So far you have yet to present any real logic that says this will make things worse in the ways you seem to think they will. This ruling really changes little and will most likely not cause any noticeable changes.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 11, 2005 at 8:28 PM
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CB
My wife and I have enjoyed adult movies together and found it to be very arousing. So I have no problem at all with the watching part of it.
As for the participation part, you clearly do not understand what this is about then. This all came about because strippers were being sexual with each other and there was something about lap dances as well in it all. But is it not going to be where people can just go up on stage and join in. The law will be about allow the entertainers to have sex on stage. It is not anything goes as some would have you believe.
A for my wife, she would be about the last person in the world to do anything like that. I personally have no issue with the nudity aspect of it, although my wife would. Nudity for me is one of the most messed up taboos we follow. I have no problem with the idea of strangers seeing me naked. The sex part obviously would be something neither my wife nor I would be part of. But I know there are people out there who would have no problem with that and so even though that is not what the who thing was allowing, I have no problem with letting them if they so desire to.
You see freedom is not about keeping people from doing what you disagree with, but is about making sure people have the choices to do what they feel is right for themselves.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 11, 2005 at 8:17 PM
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Thanks CB for your comments. I think we were writing at the same time!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 11, 2005 at 5:38 PM
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Kooka, I'm worried about the kids whose parents are not involved
in their lives. Who are too busy to provide guidance and input. I commend you for doing that with your own. I'm worried about the marriage that is fragile and breaking apart and where one or the other spouse is seeking fulfillment and looking in the wrong direction. I'm worried about the single or divorcee who has never done the prostitute thing but is tempted out of loneliness. This makes it that much easier.
You're right, this isn't much different from R or MA rated movies, except that it's more tangible and in your face and easily accessible to some needy soul who is desperate for attention of any sort.
Thanks for your input.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 11, 2005 at 5:04 PM
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kooka
Well, that being said, what would you say if your girlfriend or wife or whatever was there, watching someone else have sex? What if she wanted to participate? Would you? I personally would not want strangers to see me naked, nor my wife, and I especially would not want them to see me having sex.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 11, 2005 at 5:03 PM
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Janes
Can tell me who it hurts to allow such freedoms?
Do you wish to have adults movies made illegal?
Do you wish to have movies that have sex scenes in them made illegal?
This is not going to make it any more or less available to children, which seems to be something you are trying to claim. Adult materials ar already out there. These sex shows ar not going ot have children for the audience, so much of what you claim here makes little sense. I myself am much less worried about my children being exposed ot this kind of thing, which is natural and if they have questions I will explain the facts of it all to them, than I am some of the other stuff that is out there, such as blind prejudices and such.
All you are doing is trying to force your own values on others. Nothing more. If you do not wish to see those shows, don't go into the bars that have them. It really is that simple.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 11, 2005 at 4:45 PM
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Ha! DD I'm fraid you're right.
We'll get there, and it will be too soon for this conservative do it in the bedroom gal.
Thanks for the chat.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 11, 2005 at 4:32 PM
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Jane
I think it's indoors and restricted to adults. I think the public square for all to see will take another few years. But don't worry, we'll get there.
posted by
DebbieDowner
on October 11, 2005 at 4:15 PM
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Hi Justso, thanks for commenting.
I'll have to stop and see what you wrote. Be there in a sec!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 11, 2005 at 4:13 PM
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Hi Military wife,
thanks for stopping by! I guess for parents this ruling means that you all will have to be ever more diligent to protect your kids. If they go to a sleepover, what will they be watching? If they're old enough to go out on the town, what shows will they be going to and how many parents will be supervising. Amazing, eh? Never thought you'd have to be so protective of your kids. Very sad.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 11, 2005 at 4:12 PM
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Kooka, your comments don't surprise me in the least!
I'm not against freedom. In fact, I'd like to see more freedom of religion (for all religions), more freedom of speech (for all speech), but at the same time with such freedom comes great responsibility. And I think that these Oregonians have gone overboard in their irresponsibility to all of their citizens. It seems to me they're no longer looking out for the good of all their citizens; rather, they're responding to the wishes of a minority who wish to push the limits well beyond what's decent.
Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 11, 2005 at 4:10 PM
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Howdy again, DD
that was the discussion on Fox with Bill O'Reilly and his guest, David Reinhard (lone conservative columnist at The Oregonian paper). David clearly stated that according to this law sex could be done in public without restriction such as age.
Please know, I'm not against sex. Within marriage it's wonderful!
Do a google search and I'm certain you can find out all the info you wish.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 11, 2005 at 3:55 PM
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Jane, Jane, Jane
Please point me to the part of the law that says these acts can be done in 'Public'.
And if you don't like to watch sex, keep your $10 admission fee.
Thank God for the ACLU.
posted by
DebbieDowner
on October 11, 2005 at 12:52 PM
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You really hate Freedom don't you
I see nothing wrong with it myself. Most likely they are not going to allow minors in and no one is going to be forced to go and see the show. It is just what some people enjoy.
It is not really having sex in public, since it is your choice to enter such places. I could understand if this were going to allow people to just start doing it wherever they wished, but this is just a new style of strip clubs meet porno movies. Both of those are legal and putting them together seem no worse really.
But of course it all comes down to freedom for people to choose their entertainment.
I personally find more than half the legitimate entertainment that is out there to be sick and twisted, yet people enjoy it. Just look at movies like Grease, which many people love, yet have about the worst moral values one can find in a movie ever. At least this sounds like it is going to be honest about what it is. This sounds much more interesting than a lot of the reality shows and such that we see every time we turn around.
It just sounds like Oregon just has a better understanding of what freedom is than the rest of the country.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 11, 2005 at 9:02 AM
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Janes
This is so sick I had to come back and see what comments you had on yours. I got some fors couldn't believe it.
posted by
Justi
on October 11, 2005 at 8:58 AM
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I am neither a prude or a bible thumper
I am a mom and I don't want my kids seeing that! So what about my right NOT to see it?
posted by
Bel_
on October 10, 2005 at 11:40 PM
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Janes
I just wrote about the same thing I am flabbergasted about this!
posted by
Justi
on October 10, 2005 at 11:26 PM
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Sorry Taps,
forgive me for NOT making your day. But then I'd imagine they've got watchful parents keeping a close eye on them, eh?
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 10, 2005 at 6:40 PM
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Just what I wanted to read, JanesOpinion. My 19, 17 and 15 year old grandsons live in Portland.
posted by
TAPS.
on October 10, 2005 at 6:17 PM
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