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posted by
Justi
on October 8, 2005 at 6:03 PM
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DebbieDowner,
hateful/mean -- you haven't, others have. They seem to think that because I throw around this data that does not support the homosexual lifestyle, that I am therefore hateful and mean.
No, you've been most kind, even though we disagree. Thanks!
I was not offended by your term for me. I have never watched SNL so wasn't aware of it, but neither was I offended. Have a good day!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 7, 2005 at 4:41 AM
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Jane you....
I do apologize for the ignorant slut bit. I'm stuck in the old days of Saturday Night Live. I'm sure you've heard it before but to me its still funny.
Anyway, I agree that children shouldn't grow up in an environment where their parents are whoring around. I don't believe it's healthy. I know a few gay couples with children. I assure you their relationships are stable and they are deeply involved in making sure their kids are raised by a strict moral code. And they are excellent role models for their children as they have left the sex orgy's behind them and made their children their number 1 priority.
Now can you point me to the statistics that say that children of heterosexual couples are better off than those of gay couples. From what I've read there is no evidence of that.
And Jane. Have I ever called you hateful or mean? I don't see that in your posts. You seem to be rational, even if I do think you're always wrong. (Ok, only sometimes wrong.)
posted by
DebbieDowner
on October 6, 2005 at 8:32 PM
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Yes, Debbie, it's God's job to judge the thoughts of a person.
It is God who knows the heart and who judges. Thank God, since if my future rested in the hands of my fellow bloggers I fear I would be a dead woman.
If I did not have the Bible to guide me, there's a chance I would support gay marriage. I'm compassionate, have had many gay friends and acquaintances and would like to do what I can to support them. However, it's very clear to me that God does not approve of that lifestyle (or, for that matter, sex outside of marriage). Keep in mind I always say the lifestyle, not the gay man or lesbian. God loves each of us, no matter who we are or what we've done or how many others we've slept with.
Regarding those stats, I threw in a number of different sources, hence the variation in numbers. Who knows what the true actual numbers -- only God. But for me what all the sex with multiple partners means to me is this: is it right for children to grow up in this environment? To be so heavily influenced by sexual partner after sexual partner? One blogger here on blogit said he'd laugh if he saw his 13 year old son watching porn on TV. Me? I'd have a problem with that.
On the other hand, are married couples any better at raising kids? Well again, according to the stats, kids are better off in a two parent married heterosexual family. I'm sure ya'll will once again call me hateful and mean when I do my write up on homosexuality and kids but keep in mind that I'm only sharing what the statistics show.
Oh and Debbie, sorry to disappoint, but slut is one title that definitely does not apply. You'll have to try again; throw something else out. 
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 6, 2005 at 7:12 PM
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Jane you ignorant slut. (sorry, couldn't resist. lol)
It seems the numbers are suspect. You say that one magazine says 43% of white gay men have had sex with over 500 partners, yet Genre respondents say 24% have had more than 100 sexual partners.
I do agree and have first hand knowledge of this that gay men have more partners than straight men. Why? One reason only. Men are sexual pigs. Straight men are slowed down by the women they lust after. If 2 men are both willing, it's on. It's biological, nothing else. And It would be hard for a woman to understand since it truly is '...different for girls.'
So, isn't God supposed to be the judge of all this? Are you saying because gays might be more inclined to have shorter marriages, that they shouldn't be allowed to marry? If that's what you're saying, then shouldn't we also pre-judge straight marriages? We could have a whole department set up to pre-judge the man and woman's chances of their marriage lasting a lifetime. That way, we would be sure they didn't make a mistake.
Life is about mistakes. Its about learning. Learning to love each other and respect each others differences. Learning to let go and let be. You cannot stop homosexuality. It is here to stay. So your challenge is to love all people. Gay, straight, black, white, diseased.
And finally, saying that gay relationships are based purely on sex is absolutely false. Since as you say, gay people have more sex with more partners than straights, why would they worry about getting married then? If they can have sex whenever they want, why 'buy the cow?' In reality, more straight people marry for sex than gay people.
Ok, that's my take. Tear me apart!
posted by
DebbieDowner
on October 6, 2005 at 10:15 AM
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Oh how interesting, Kooka,
Now you assume you know what I'm thinking. You ASSUME I think they're less than human. Have I ever said that? Big fat NO. You assume I hate the sinner. Again, big fat NO. (If that was the case, then I would hate myself. Because I, too, am a sinner.)
How dare you make such unfounded accusations. You do not know my heart (thank God!). You who say you are a kind and loving person, and yet you ASSUME you know my heart, my thoughts and you have judged me and been hateful in your judgements and accusations. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I have known one other person like you. Only one. And that was more than enough.
Obviously, I have overwhelmed you with the data and since you have nothing to fight back with, you do a smear campaign. Again, you should be ashamed of yourself. You certainly have not been a good representative of the kind and loving atheism you promote.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 6, 2005 at 4:17 AM
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Janes
To me participating in a same sex act appears to be like bad fashion. When the world is sane politically there is a better sense of decency in dress. Fashion takes on a better cut, fit and piece goods. I personally have never participated in any homosexual practice. As well as humans were created to fit, function and feel in a hetrosexual situation with a marriage mate I can only surmise the other must be like trashy fashion, poor stripe matching, saggy hems, poor fit, cheap sleezy fabrics you name it just sleez. Don't know, just can't imagine improving on God's design.
posted by
Justi
on October 6, 2005 at 2:10 AM
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Janes
Do they know that you believe them to be less than human?
Do they know that you think they are mentally ill and need to be cured?
No, you hate the sinner, it is just you do not wish to admit it. if you just hated the sin, then you would have no problem at all with them being allowed fair and just rights. Stop lying to yourself there. You show no lover or respect for them or their humanity, since you make it clear they are in your mind lower than human and you wish to do all you can to make sure they do not feel good about who their are and how they live by the hate messages you spread behind their backs. Or can you actually be honest with them and tell them you think they are all whores who sleep around with a different partner every night and will get some kind of STD and die from it, unless they get cured bu finding salvation in the lord? My guess is you are as dishonest with them as you are with yourself about the whole thing.
Oh, and I am not justifying the lifestyle at all. I am very much against the lifestyle myself and really do not understand it nor will I ever pretend to understand it. The idea of two men getting together sexually bothers me to no end and I do not wish to ever see such actions myself. But I believe in human rights and freedom. I believe in building people up, not making them feel bad for being who they are when who they are hurts no one at all. I much more follow the idea of hating the sin, not the sinner. I may dislike the 'sin', but that does not mean I am going to punish the 'sinner' for it when I am positive it is just who they are and they have no real choice over the matter.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 5, 2005 at 7:27 PM
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Very impressive, Kooka and xenox --
you two are bending over backwards to attempt to justify this lifestyle. Nothing new there. In spite of all the stats, all the data against the lifestyle and you are busy peddling on their behalf.
You probably would not believe me if I told you this, but I will say it anyway. I work with several lesbians and a gay guy. I have worked on befriending them and reaching out to them. Why? Because of the words of Jesus. We are to hate the sin but love the sinner. I definitely DO NOT CONDONE THEIR ACTIONS, unlike you, but nonetheless I will do my utmost to show love and respect for them, their humanity.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 5, 2005 at 3:16 PM
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if a segment of society lives outside the mainstreamof society, in a way, underground, then there is no opportunity for the same stability as that part of society that is accepted and a part of society.
you will see the same figures, or similar in other segments of American society in similar circumstances -- and this is among heterosexual relationships -- those at the edge of society.
so actually you are comparing apples and oranges.
and skewing the figures to fit your narrow viewpoint.
you need to come into the light.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 5, 2005 at 7:38 AM
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Wow
What a bunch of sad ignorant people, who are childish and only wish to bring people down.
It is not the homosexuals who are the problem, but those like all of the ones here who have left comments who are telling the homosexuals they are nothing more than sexual or that their lifestyle is filled with sin. Instead of trying to form relationships, they figure there is no point to it since too many ignorant people wish to keep them down, and so they follow what they are told their lifestyle is suppose to be about.
But I already know logic and reasoning and reality are wasted on this group.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 5, 2005 at 7:17 AM
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Janes
Someone left you a message in response to a comment you left me. This is all on the blog below:
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/Justsouno7176/
I am not trying to get clicks. You already read this one. Just thought you would want this one, neat.
posted by
Justi
on October 4, 2005 at 11:01 PM
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Janes,
I finally wrote one today that they responded to, but I have been running into the same thing. If they read they move along. Keep going it is soon. BB
posted by
Justi
on October 4, 2005 at 10:27 PM
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Yeah, I've got people fired up, Justsouno,
except for one thing. They don't have the guts to leave a comment. Guess it's hard to argue with all this data, eh?
Wimps.
Haven't read the Prophet yet. I'll look into it, and thanks for the info!!!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 4, 2005 at 5:35 PM
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Jane
You set of a line of dominoes. These posts were climbing the walls today. Have you read all his works. I have his latest, I think "The Prophet". It is great. This man is a real genius with concept, pen and subtly. BB (Peritti)
posted by
Justi
on October 4, 2005 at 5:02 PM
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Burly, I agree 100%. Thanks for stopping by.
I do, however, think that some people get into it d/t very grievous issues in their past. They feel somehow safer in a homosexual relationship. But yes, I do agree with you.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 4, 2005 at 3:31 PM
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Homosexuality is not a lifestyle..
It's a perversion. To be homosexual is to be promiscuous..by its very nature and unnatural in the eyes of society and God.
posted by
Burly
on October 4, 2005 at 1:44 PM
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Justso --
I have read "Piercing the Darkness." It's fantastic, frightening, and a recommended read for every Christian!
God bless.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 3, 2005 at 3:35 PM
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Janes
The State of Tennessee has made it legal for religious groups to counsel gays about overcoming the problem. I do believe it is a problem. Now the most beloved ACLU is suing Tennessee calling it non licensed treatment for the mentally ill. That is a forward step. It is a mental problem. Please read "Piercing the Darkness" by Frank Peritti.
posted by
Justi
on October 3, 2005 at 6:48 AM
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Justso, you're right it's unnatural
but I've been so amazed at the number of folks standing up for homosexuals, their lifestyle, and speaking up against all the statistics out there. It's amazing! People are delusioned by you know who. . . .
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 3, 2005 at 4:32 AM
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writer of light, thanks for your comments
I hope you're wrong about NAMBLA; that would be awful, but not surprising. Keep me posted if you find anything.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 3, 2005 at 4:31 AM
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Janes
This is an unusually informative post on this subject. It is unnatural. When you can see and know the fitting of the componentas of hetrosexul relationships particularly in marriage with God as the center cord you will see and know there is no exception. God destroyed cities because of Homosexuality. He almost destroyed a tribe of Israel, had it not been for stealing brides from another tribe to be available to the few men who are coming back from the war. You go girl....... It is wrong!
posted by
Justi
on October 2, 2005 at 9:09 PM
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Jane, I'll tell you why you bother!
It's because you know the truth and want to make it known. You go, girl! Keep up the excellent work
Re homosexuality and children: I heard a report that NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) has or is trying to gain access into Atlanta's public schools. I dearly hope it's one of those urban legends; I couldn't find anything on it, but maybe you can find something for your next article.
posted by
WriterofLight
on October 2, 2005 at 7:57 PM
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Well said, dear Tapsel-T, well said.
We are a sorry lot, all of us, whether hetero or homo, with many imperfections. "ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 2, 2005 at 8:01 AM
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JanesOpinion, Lots of interesting facts and figures here and lots of effort you have put into this. Your statistics/ratios seem to just about fit my personal experience and those of all my friends and acquaintences both heterosexual and homosexual. It all makes for a pretty sad lot of us human beings as far as committment and faithfulness whether married or not.
posted by
TAPS.
on October 2, 2005 at 7:56 AM
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Thanks ariel, for your comments!
And I will look forward to reading your post!!!!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 2, 2005 at 7:40 AM
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Jane
A very long, very interesting, very well researched post. Yours is clearly a - clear - voice of reason in a thorny, divisive and complex debate.
I'm not soliciting for clicks, but later on today I shall post a piece, which among other things, asks how Christians can practise and condone homosexuality -let alone have homosexuals as pastors in their churches, when it is expressly forbidden in the Bible. I think you might find it interesting
posted by
ariel70
on October 2, 2005 at 7:16 AM
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