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check out science magazines
check the net for articles about the Canadian and Alaskan tundra and where the climate there is becoming warmer, more temperate, and that is affecting the native species -- ice on the seas is thinner and melts sooner in the spring and freezes later in the fall and this affects polar bears' hunting, etc. These have been reported. Do a net search for this and you should find many articles. And if you want me to supply such, I can do the search for you and give you probably dozens of links.
I don't see where anyone needs data when reports abound about islands being underwater that weren't before. Again, a net search should bring up a pleathora of reports.
And the hurricanes? YOu want to find a scientific magazine?
I'll tell you one place to look -- National Geographic. A recent issue addressed global warming. Check out their website.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 23, 2005 at 6:30 AM
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Oh and I just realized
I mistyped the URL. It's www.friendsofscience.org
Sorry about that
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on September 22, 2005 at 9:26 PM
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Xeno
No no, what I'm asking for is the actual data. Point me to where I can find the actual, hard data that tells me this is really happening. Something gathered by someone with a PhD in the related field (preferably climatology), something that has been checked by other scientists. Show me that, and I’ll start to listen.
And am I willing to take that chance? My answer doesn’t speak for a lot of people, but yes. Why? Because it’s all moot anyhow.
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on September 22, 2005 at 9:19 PM
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well, I thought I just did.
Arctic climates becoming warmer.
Less snowfall on Mountains.
A rise in sea levels that is indundating islands and displacing many peoples.
glaciers receding much more than at any recorded time previously.
And a predicted increase in number and destructive power of hurricanes.
and I continue to ask: are you willing to take a chance that this is not true?
The main problem is: if global warming does indeed exist, then if we wait for a decade to test whether or not it does, then we have sunken farther into the morass of the consequences of global warming.
However, it it does exist and we decide to reverse the human activity that has caused it, then maybe in about a decade or so all these results of the phenomenon will be reversed.
Are you willing to take that chance?
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 22, 2005 at 2:13 PM
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Global Warming
My friend, I offer you a challenge, and a bit of insight.
First, the challenge: Find proof of global warming. Find proof of glaciers receeding that haven’t been doing so for a hundred years or so. Find temperature data that has been collected from reliable and credible sources that shows a constant global rise in temperature. While it’s been getting moderately hotter in some places, it’s been getting cooler in other places. I beg you to watch the video series at www.friendsofscience.com
Next, the bit of insight: If we decide that things are bad and move in to change them before we really know what is going on, imagine the devastating consequences. The best case scenario is we would spend billions and billions of dollars on doing nothing at all. The worst case scenario is we would further impose our will on nature, and it would impose back. Bad hurricanes happen. The water’s warmer than it was, but it was warm in the 20s and 30s too, as Temple has pointed out to me, and there were massive hurricanes then. In fact, the most intense hurricane on record was back then.
Please watch the video series at Friends of Science. It’s short, but very, very informative. Best of luck.
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on September 22, 2005 at 10:20 AM
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