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thanks arch!
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 8, 2005 at 11:28 AM
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If the questions were not hard
there's be no need for faith! What is disrespectful to any god that may exist is in not asking about and exploring our wonder-full universe.
posted by
archiew
on July 8, 2005 at 8:59 AM
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sunnyj
the question is how come god allows them to continue?
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 8, 2005 at 6:47 AM
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cantey
you have a good attitude.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 8, 2005 at 6:46 AM
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I'm not sure
who asked the hard questions you all are talking about but no one answered my questions besides LE Gant. And I had alot of questions. I think people think I'm challenging them, when all I really wanted to know was what they thought on each topic. Maybe I asked too many.
posted by
Narek
on July 7, 2005 at 9:38 PM
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serial killers
I just saw your comment about serial killers. I can't agree that God fears them...what can they do to him?
I think in asking these questions we often forget that Adam signed this world over to Satan when he committed high treason against God in the garden of Eden. Much of what we see happening around us is his work rather than God's.
Also, God values free will above all. He won't interfere with our freedom to chose what "god" we will follow.
posted by
sunnyj
on July 7, 2005 at 3:50 PM
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EHP,
Thank you for your answer. Other comments that I see here, with some exceptions, seem so tangled up in words that they are blundering about tripping over them. Thank you.
JJ
posted by
Jack_Flash
on July 7, 2005 at 1:20 PM
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EHP to answer your question more directly:
when certain questions are asked, does a proponent remain silent, or does said pro. defend that of which he/she is a proponent?:
the answer is: not DEFEND.
but EXPLAIN and/or SHARE if invited to do so ( on an interpersonal level I am speaking of).
But never in a spirit of defense or offense ( against people)
posted by
calmcantey75
on July 7, 2005 at 1:09 PM
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empty....thank you.
Thank you kindly. I am staying tuned, as I think you and Kooka bring up some very valid points.
posted by
behindamask
on July 7, 2005 at 1:05 PM
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jj_wilde
I am attempting to urge Christians to tell us the answers.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 7, 2005 at 1:03 PM
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according to your faith be it unto you, behindamask
it's your faith and your belief.
my issue is with those who depend upon certain ideas that seem to have no real basis in fact.
Truth is what is experienced. YOU can find Truth if you don't let human perception describe it.
Don't be confused.
Learn. Confusion usually comes from new information clashing with the old perceptions. You have to determine which is more valid.
To me, that is the constant task of all of us.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 7, 2005 at 1:02 PM
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Empty.....I've been clicking back and forth between you and Kooka...
And I'm so confused. Please, put on your kid gloves and talk to me real slow. I truly want to understand both you and Kooka. But first, let me attempt to explain my faith:
I don't have any faith in organized religion. I don't particpate in any church. I do believe JC died for my sins. I believe God gave himself up out of a love that the human brain can not comprehend at any level. That's what I believe. There are certain Bible passages that have answered some of my questions. But, oh, do I have many other questions that need answered. It's confusing. I simply don't answer some of you and Kookas' questions, because I'm not sure I have an answer. I'm wondering if either of you feel that Believers should, well, be all or nothing. All for everyword in the Bible. All for the scriptures they understand. Or All for nothing and just say, I believe in God and J.C. Please help me understand. I do so appreciate reading both of your posts. You offer so many different perspetives.
posted by
behindamask
on July 7, 2005 at 10:09 AM
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EHP,
Can I assume that the question:
CHRISTIANS CAN'T HANDLE THE HARD QUESTIONS?
Is directed toward a private audience? JJ
posted by
Jack_Flash
on July 7, 2005 at 9:56 AM
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EHP
I would say newcomers who are not familiar with Kooka and others have an obligation to voice their beliefs and arguments, but people like me are obligated to recognise the solid, unmovable beliefs of Kooka( like my own) and should resign from arguments and strive to be friendly and peaceful as fellow humans. "Kooka is Kooka and Cantey is Cantey and never the twain shall meet." that is true of our beliefs, but no reason we we or others like us cannot peacefully coexist and be friends. That is the way I see it.
posted by
calmcantey75
on July 7, 2005 at 9:42 AM
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I understand, Cantey
You and Kooka have two different approaches.
period
Kooka is Kooka and Cantey is Cantey and never the twain shall meet.
My issue is this: when certain questions are asked, does a proponent remain silent, or does said pro. defend that of which he/she is a proponent?
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 7, 2005 at 9:36 AM
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my question to you is this:
why answer questions posed by people who have already proven and have even declared they cannot and will not ever believe, Christians are not obligated to indulge every atheist that comes along with an argument that I aready know will go nowhere and no communication wil be established, except things like : "Wow , what a load of BS." that is a favorite response of Kooka to my answrs or replies. It does not offend me, he is being honest and I appreciate it.
I am speaking for myself, having argued and debated with Kooka over the 2 years I have been a member here.
I have already decided that Kooka, your son, cannot ( or will not) entertain anything other than pure human logic. Most of my beliefs in God ( if not all) are not based in pure human logic, they are based in revelation knowledge I have received from the Holy Spirit to my spirit concerning God and His ways and charectar( which is available to all true Christians). I know you probably dont believe that at all, it does not matter. I know it to be true and I cannot prove it to you.
So you see, there is no conversation to be had concerning faith in God with an atheist. Unless they are are honestly seeking to believe, which I dont think your son is. Could be wrong, but judgeing by his many statements and declarations I would say not.
posted by
calmcantey75
on July 7, 2005 at 8:19 AM
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EHP,
Right now I think there is much more concern over what has happened in London. I haven't seen what has been asked to Christians, but I will remember to come by after keeping up with that event. I'm curious about it myself, but I'm preoccupied with the London affair just now.
JJ
posted by
Jack_Flash
on July 7, 2005 at 7:15 AM
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Painter -
I find it interesting that neither you nor Kooka is getting any kind of answer for your questions. I've been waiting to read what is being said, but no one is saying anything.
posted by
sannhet
on July 7, 2005 at 7:02 AM
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