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Limey
No, you didn't say anything about pedophilia -- that is why I was dismayed to see that direction taken in the response posts. I, too, am not sure there is a link between celibacy and homosexuality but I think there might be one between that particular structural dictate of the Catholic Church and the prevalence of homosexuality among priests. If I am unattracted to women and have no desire to get married ever (and may not even be fully self-aware yet regarding my own sexuality) then a requirement to vow celibacy and never marry might seem like a palatable life choice. Actually, I don't really know as much about it as I should if I am going to spout off about it. Didn't you say that 20% of priests are gay? That leaves 80% that aren't. I guess I just hate to see anyone forced to deny who they are to serve God. Thorny, thorny issues. Thanks for getting us talking and me thinking about these issues...
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June 15, 2005
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Woo hoo, I have a new nickname
So I'm JaneThePain now, eh? Glad to be such a thorn in your side.
And now you're blaming America for the "popularization" of homosexuality? I absolutely do not condone the lifestyle, but must say I think your accusation is pushing it a bit. Heck, they're coming out of countless closets all over the world, and have been doing so for decades.
Ya know Limey, I think you could blame America for one problem on Monday, and then on Tuesday blame us for the complete antithesis of the same problem. You could care less about the issue/problem/grievance (etc). What seems to give you the most pleasure is pointing the finger at America and blaming this country for every imaginable problem you can think of.
How about taking a little Lithium with your morning tea. It might even out your moods and make you feel better. 
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JanesOpinion
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June 15, 2005
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Camlau
Thank you.
First, I don't think I mentioned paedophilia.
Second, this post isn't exclusively about Catholic priests. And whether there's a connnection between celibacy and homosexuality I'm not sure.
Now, see of my post of today which expands on this issue.
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Limey
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June 15, 2005
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First, when did the comments on homosexuality begin to morph so easily into comments on pedophilia? Wow! Are we really going to engage in the despicable (in my opinion) or at the very least logically suspect act of linking or even associating the two? I thught we were much more enlightened now.
Second, while I am not fully comfortable with the tone taken in this post, I do think this is a very important issue. For the record, I couldn't care less what the sexual orientation of my spiritual leader is, but maybe that is why I have very little to do with organized religion. I feel sadness for the Catholic Church mostly because I feel that asking preists to take a vow of celibacy has little if anything to do with thier commitment to the church or their God and even less to do with their abilities as a spiritual leader. Rampant homosexuality in the Catholic Church is a direct result of the vow of celibacy. Those individuals who may be inspired leaders and devout Catholics but unwilling to take the vow simply will not enter the priesthood. Thus, it is not hard to imagine that the pool of candidates easily becomes one that is disproportionately made up of gay men. And so ironic too. How sad for these individuals to struggle on such a constant basis with their own identies as men and as priests.
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June 15, 2005
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Ok, Limey:
I have told you countless times how brilliant you are. I've even shared a guacamole recipe with you. But I have to BEG you to read my posts. Don't you get what I am trying to say in any of my compositions, here? I haven't even earned a George Bush dollar yet. You listen Ms N all day long. I like her stuff, too, but I'm bloody disappointed. Burly is very political, but he still digs my writing. Enough for now, love.
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MedusaNextDoor
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June 15, 2005
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Ginnieb
Is that acceptable?
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Limey
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June 15, 2005
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Sassy
You're absolutely right - we have the same problem here. But it's spread from America.
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Limey
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June 15, 2005
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Burly
Read on - I'm also dealing here with Anglican priests.
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Limey
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June 15, 2005
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I'm sure it's done all the time Limey!
I'd have to venture a guess that there are many (or most) who call themselves Catholics, attend church every Sunday, but practice birth control!
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June 15, 2005
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What, no pedophiles in the Uk?
You are saying that this act is limited to Americans, and that is total bullshit! Pedophilia is not limited to any race, sex or country. How shallow of you to assume that it is exclusively an American problem.
Dublin — The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland has agreed to a landmark $110-million (U.S) payment to Irish children sexually abused by its clergy over decades. Sex abuse campaigners and opposition lawmakers brand the offer as inadequate. The deal late Wednesday was designed to conclude a 10-year struggle by the church in this predominantly Catholic nation to overcome sex scandals going back to the 1940s. More than 20 priests, brothers and nuns have already been convicted of molesting children, with much of the abuse taking place in state-funded, church-run schools."
Tolkien son accused of sex abuse. LONDON: The eldest son of J.R.R. Tolkien, the author of The Lord of the Rings, has been questioned by police over allegations that he sexually abused boys while working as a priest. Officials will assess whether to press formal charges against the retired Roman Catholic priest.
LONDON – According to reports, British authorities are becoming overwhelmed by the growing caseload of child porn surfers as the result of an ongoing web sting and international intelligence-sharing.
LONDON: (R.C.) British writer Tom Utley has joined apologists attacking News Media for the Churches' problems with Child Sex-Abuse! The heading hints that it is the News Media that has the "obsession" with paedophilia.
Western Australia: A 60-year-old Dutch-born Catholic priest from New South Wales had abused his position of trust when he indecently dealt with five children under 13, and could expect to go to jail, a judge said today.
FBI Nets 7000 British Pedophiles |
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The US Federal Bureau of Investigation has caught 7,272 Britons using credit cards to access child pornography. The FBI seized two web sites in the US and forwarded the information to UK detectives. Source: news.bbc.co.uk |
Pedophiles - warning
British authorities have warned that the Czech Republic, Romania, Portugal and Spain have recently become popular destinations for British pedophiles. http://archiv.radio.cz/news/EN/1999/20.01.html
British Sex Registry - In Britain, it's the law for convicted pedophiles to be placed on a Sex Offenders registry. Three years ago, a British tabloid printed the names, addresses and pictures of one-hundred offenders. The paper, the News of The World, did it again last year after two little girls were abducted and murdered. The managing editor is Stewart Cuttner.
Do you need more articles on this subject?
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June 15, 2005
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Limey
You imply that it's a strangely American problem. It's not. America has confronted its problem and the rest of the Catholic world has not! That's the real story.
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Burly
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June 15, 2005
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Well, my Gay Radar was working when they put the communion wafer into the hand of a pervert volunteer at my last church. I quietly took it, and dropped it on the floor next to the woman who was dying of cancer. Then I quit going to church. If they didn't have better sense to lead the people than that, forget it.
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TARZANA
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June 15, 2005
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JaneThePain
This isn't simply about Catholic priests - read on.
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Limey
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June 15, 2005
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ScoopThePoop
Now that does worry me. Why? Because this whole gay clergy thing has arrived here from America.
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Limey
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June 15, 2005
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Mapet
It's not 'ways' to bash America: it's simply that Americans are fundamentally flawed.
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Limey
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June 15, 2005
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Medusa
If the sender is like me, they're having trouble with the technology! Was the note repeated one on top of the other, or did it reappear amid other comments? If the latter it's likely the sender was deliberately trying to make certain you got the message!
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Limey
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June 15, 2005
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ginnieb
I can't see how you can have pick 'n mix religion.
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Limey
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June 15, 2005
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Ah Scoop, it's a waste of your precious time to argue with "Slimey".
He's fixated fixated fixated on each and every aspect of American life that is filthy, vulgar or in some way problematic. For some strange reason (for which I have no answer) I'm repeatedly drawn to his posts -- like flies to a pile of crap -- even though I have learned that to argue is futile.
Regarding your post, Limey, and your question, I think that two gay men having sex before serving communion is utterly gross and defiling of what is a very precious service. I am not Catholic, but I have great reverence for the communion service and what it signifies. Sex within marriage is awesome, but in my humble opinion it would be appropriate for anyone who serves communion to be in prayer (and repentance) during those minutes before communion is served, rather than rattling the bed with sex.
"And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, 'This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me. . . . This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you'" (Luke 22: 19-20). We celebrate communion to remember Christ's death. So in my mind two gay men having sex five minutes before communion is pretty disgusting, not to mention irreverant.
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JanesOpinion
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June 14, 2005
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Hey Slimey how about this shit?
I did a little Google and found out you Slimers are not that pure.
A gay clergywoman will take part in the UK's first same-sex wedding in Brighton later this year.
The Rev Debbie Gaston, 46, will marry her partner of 16 years Elaine Cook, 53, on 21 December - the first day gay weddings are legal
OXFORD, England, July 6 — A clergyman whose selection as the Church of England's first openly gay bishop stirred a deeply divisive reaction among Anglicans worldwide announced today that he was withdrawing his name for the post.
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scoop
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June 14, 2005
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Limey...
You amaze me...you never run out of ways to bash America. If anything, you're consistent
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Mapet6
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June 14, 2005
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Limey:
:What does it mean if a reader left me the same comment 10 times? Help me. You're a pro.....
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MedusaNextDoor
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June 14, 2005
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Well yes Limey....
...but if I belong to a church I don't have to believe in or agree with all their teachings..do I?
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ginnieb
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June 14, 2005
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ginnieb
Isn't homosexuality against the church's teaching?
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Limey
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June 14, 2005
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Wonder
But the English homos you refer to are not.
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Limey
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June 14, 2005
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Who cares what homosexual priests do with their male mates...as long as they are both adults. I don't care what the couple sitting beside me at church (not that I ever sit in one anymore)do in their bedrooms..why should I care what the priest does? Now abuse is another thing all together but sounds like you are talking about partners..or mates.
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ginnieb
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June 14, 2005
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Limey, but Americans ARE your lot in this blog...
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Ariala
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June 14, 2005
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Tanoo
Do you want me to call him?
posted by
Limey
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June 14, 2005
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Wonder
This blog is to do with America and Americans - not my lot.
posted by
Limey
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June 14, 2005
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Limey, what was the point?
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Ariala
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June 14, 2005
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Limey ill just wonder about it in silent contemplation... ill leave it to you to let me know since youre doing such a great job
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Tanoolicious
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June 14, 2005
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Tanoo
How about asking him?
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Limey
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June 14, 2005
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Wonder
That's not the point, as you jolly well know!
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Limey
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June 14, 2005
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As we all know there are NO homos in England, especially of the priest
variety.
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Ariala
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June 14, 2005
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Oh my God!!! This is aweful!! And im Catholic!! Oh my word how will I look at another priest without remembering this?
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Tanoolicious
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June 14, 2005
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