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Just for me? Never, naughty Wonder!
You're being as misleading as ever: you know perfectly well that the world and his wife will be reading this particular post.
However, take a look below and you'll find one from me to you - and everyone else who cares to read it.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Just for you:
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/Ariala6178/263885
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Ariala
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June 2, 2005
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Chelly
There's a slight difference, but only slight.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Chelly
Now you know!
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Limey - I thought that was my dog having gas.
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Kiddo75
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June 2, 2005
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Limey-I was wondering why I had that winged monkey man living here so
long...
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Kiddo75
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June 2, 2005
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Chelly
Cup you ears and listen carfully to the wind on a dark, dark night ... you'll hear me, you can be certain of that.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Chelly
You're no Wicked Witch - try as you might.
posted by
Limey
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June 2, 2005
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you still speak as if you are human...with emotions...and,
personality....
You laugh? What does THAT sound like I wonder?!
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Kiddo75
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June 2, 2005
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Chelly
Come off it! It got a laugh.* (See Ariala, below).
*PS We call it irony over here.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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I must say though, as evil as Hitler was...I guess it's still a step up
being called him instead of what I'm usually called around here..."Satan". But either way, I guess I'm evil. Maker or minion...lol
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Kiddo75
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June 2, 2005
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Limey- yes....Hitler and I are on the same page...
You know, I was in hopes that maybe you had some sense of humor somewhere in that crabby judgemental exterior...comparing me to Hitler? Limey Limey...
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Kiddo75
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June 2, 2005
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Chelly, hahahhahaha
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Ariala
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June 2, 2005
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Chelly
Hitler had the same idea.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
Depend on me!
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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worm hole, rabbit hole, asshole, what's the difference? In the
end all that matters is if you're pretty or ugly. Now let's just focus on that...the ugly and where to put them...
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Kiddo75
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June 2, 2005
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Limey, wondered if you'd catch that.
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Ariala
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
Both? There's another big hole in that idea.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
As I said, angrily excited.
posted by
Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Limey, sorry, there must have been a hole in the space/time fabric between
us...how about trying both of them?
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Ariala
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June 2, 2005
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Limey, sorry, only Bleepers turn me on anymore...
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Ariala
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
You'd better send similar comments to Richard Dawkins and Simon Singh.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
Don't breathe so heavily: it gets me excited - garlic or no garlic.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
Sorry. I meant worm-hole or rabbit-hole? (See my comment to Wordwizard).
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Limey, I wish you were here so I can say HELLO with my garlic breath hahaha
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Ariala
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June 2, 2005
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Which? Dropping the labels, the bias, the prejudice, the racism, the
and degrading words like absurd...but noooo, there would be no blog left! Excuse me, I must now go "create my day" now, quantumly speaking, of course.
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Ariala
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
Which?
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Limey, try it and find out...
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Ariala
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June 2, 2005
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Ms N Dependence
Just the other day I read that worm-hole time travel isn't going to work. Isn't it disappointing? Back to rabbit holes, then!
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Wordwizard
Just because you believe Britain is in decline doesn't actually mean it is!
As far as What The Bleep is concerned, I'm afraid I would rather accept Richard Dawkins' and Simon Singh's opinions - unless, of course, you are better qualified to comment.
PS It was a Britain, Trevor Baylis OBE, who in the 1990s invented the clockwork radio. As you probably know, this clever device has proved a boon for electricity-deprived people across the globe.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
Before you ask, I can't get the hang of this touch-pad thing.
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
Like what, precisely?
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Like what, precisely?
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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Wonder
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Limey
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June 2, 2005
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One person's opinion
Just because Richard Dawkins said something doesn't make him right. Einstein was wrong on a couple of things as well.
As for the computer being invented in the UK. Yes, too many years ago to count. They once had an empire, too. It's gone - long gone.
Whatever Britain was, it no longer is. I lived there in the mid seventies and then again for four years recently. I love some of British things, but I genuinely believe that it's going down the tubes fast.
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Wordwizard
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June 1, 2005
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Well Limes... if we do buy into QP
then we are all just a bunch of molecular worm snacks and there is a whole other world out there bigger and braver and far more intelligent, and... okay I'm drinking. This is funnier than hell.
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Transcendental_Child
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June 1, 2005
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If people dropped the labels, "liberal," "conservative," "right-wing," "New
Age" they might learn something.
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Ariala
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June 1, 2005
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Bunny
I have a feeling you'd like it. The programmes were made by the BBC and I believe videos and DVDs are generally available.
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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From Bunny to LImey
I've heard of Black Adder, but I don't think I've seen it. I looked it up on line and it was made in the 80's. Maybe my friends talked about it in college.
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Bunny
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June 1, 2005
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Talion
... and, very occasionally, the worst!
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Ann
Thanks. That is a most pertinent observation.
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Interesting and humorous opinions. The nonsense maybe about making money from a film. ;-)
Ann.
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A-and-B
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June 1, 2005
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Limey
You certainly bring out the best in people, I'll give you that.
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Talion
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June 1, 2005
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Bunny
Ah, another cunning plan, as Baldrick, of TV's 'Blackadder,'used to say.
PS Did you/do you get this British show over there?
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Odysseus
Yes, I agree.
But as I wrote: ... (this) film "becomes involved in absurd, unscientific extrapolations from quantum physics."
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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From Bunny
You have uncovered the secret plot of the Religous Right!
They hate the New Age movement and they hate any scientific discovery that contradicts their version of the Bible.
So they secretly encourage the joining of the two, thereby making it easier to bring them down together!
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Bunny
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June 1, 2005
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I think that
religion has always extrapolated somewhat from the prevailing science of the day. Quantum physics will not be immune to the same process.
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telemachus
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June 1, 2005
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offbeat
If you believe that, you'll believe anything.
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Wonder - leaving so soon?
I'm sorry you're off - and just when it was starting to get interesting. (In fact, I'd lined up several other top people to help put you straight about this New Age nonsense).
Never mind. You can always listen to Simon Singh? Remember, he's on Front Row on BBC Radio 4, Thursday, 7.30pm.
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Limey, yawn...I guess I will move on now...we've reached a major
disagreement concerning this topic and as Blogit suggests, "Agree to disagree."
Later, I got work to do...I know you won't get lost in the rabbit hole since you're not going in!
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Ariala
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June 1, 2005
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Limey
I have more education in my right pinky then you have in your messed up head.
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Offy
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June 1, 2005
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Wonder - Bleep is 'downright lies'
You want the of a top physicist on Bleep? Read this from Simon Singh:
I have spent my entire working life either doing science or conveying its meaning and beauty to the public. Consequently, I despise What the Bleep Do We Know!?, because it distorts science to fit its own agenda, it is full of half-truths and misleading analogies, and some of its so-called scientific claims are downright lies. Worse still, having achieved cult status in America, this film has already duped millions into mistaking pure claptrap for something of cosmic importance.
For example, WTB explains how quantum physics implies a crucial role for the observer in any experiment - so far, so good, except it requires several years of study to appreciate the subtlety and true significance of this statement. However, WTB is not too bothered about the truth. The water experiment is junk pseudo- science of the worst kind and has never been replicated by a mainstream scientist. Nevertheless, WTB carries down its illogical path by suggesting that if observing water changes its molecular structure, and if we are 90% water, then by observing ourselves we can change at a fundamental level via the laws of quantum physics. Thanks to WTB, this kind of ridiculous balderdash is being peddled by the likes of Drew Barrymore on the David Letterman Show.
And if you are still considering going to see this film, then please bear in mind the credibility and motives of the interviewees in the film. John Hagelin, one of the PhD physicists, is from the Maharishi University of Management. Take my advice and do not see this film. I repeat, do not see this film. I repeat again, do not see this film. If you do, then you will leave the cinema misinformed, £8 poorer and having wasted two hours of your life.
· Simon Singh has a PhD in particle physics from Cambridge University. He is also the author of The Code Book and Big Bang, and reviews What the Bleep Do We Know!? for Front Row on BBC Radio 4, Thursday, 7.30pm.
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Offbeat
Frightened of the truth? Start reading and get an education.
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Tiger
The British have been saying that about Hollywood for years!
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Wordwizard
You are so extraordinarily simplistic and gullible: but never mind, read Richard Dawkins' full assessment. You'll enjoy it.
Meanwhile, what the rest of your irrational diatribe has to do with anything heaven knows.
PS The world's first full-scale working computer was produced by the British during the Secon World War. It operated from this country's spy centre at Bletchley Park.
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Chelly
Who is cool?
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Limey, it's sad that this guy can't see truth for what it is...I suggest
you read some Einstein, Planck, Bohr, Faraday and some Heidelberg...While you're at it read The Field, the Dance of the Wu Li Masters and a little Quantum Physics 101. I would much rather take the word of physicists and than the zoologist, Dawkins. Sounds like some people are still stuck on Newton.
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Ariala
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June 1, 2005
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Chelly
Who is cool?
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Smartdog
See Richard Dawkins' full assessment in my latest comment to Ariala.
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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Wonder
I get the impression you don't agree with me. How about this from Richard Dawkins:
This film is even more pretentious than it is boring. And it is stupefyingly boring - unless, of course, you are fooled by its New Age fakery, in which case it might indeed be - as many innocent dupes have stated - "life-changing". The one redeeming feature is the enigmatic charm of the deaf heroine, whose depressive journey down the rabbit hole of life is punctuated by gobbets of bogus sagacity from a dozen talking heads. But no amount of charm could redeem the unforgivable phoniness of the script.
Over-use of the word "paradigm" is a pretty good litmus for inclusion in the scientific equivalent of Pseud's Corner, and the film's "expert" talking heads score highly. Perhaps the leading one is "Ramtha", a dead warrior from Atlantis who addresses us (in a fake accent) through his "channeler", a woman called JZ (Judy) Knight, founder of the Ramtha Cult which sponsored the film. Thirty-five thousand years in the grave have not dulled Ramtha's business sense: he charges $1,000 per counselling session. Poor JZ has her work cut out.
The authors seem undecided whether their theme is quantum theory or consciousness. Both are indeed mysterious, and their genuine mystery needs none of the hype with which this film relentlessly and noisily belabours us. Not surprisingly, we get no enlightenment on either topic, nor on the alleged connection between them. Instead, we are told that indigenous peoples were "literally" unable to see early European vessels arriving off their shores - presumably because the ships lay outside their "paradigm". We are told that "All emotion is holographically imprinted chemicals"; that "Each cell has a consciousness"; and that "God is the superposition of all the spirits from all things".
What drives me to despair is not the dishonesty of the charlatans who peddle such tosh, but the dopey gullibility of the thousands of nice, well meaning people who flock to the cinema and believe it.
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Limey
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June 1, 2005
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ugh
what the bleep kills me!!! It's "What the Heck?" We need to tell Hollywood to get it right!
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tigerprincess
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June 1, 2005
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WIZARD
You are my hero..I never read this blog, only the comment section. Great commentary!!
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Offy
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June 1, 2005
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It's always easy to tell an idiot...
They tend to down everything others support because that way they get attention. That way, they even get a high ranking on a page like this and earn money... That way, they can be assured of upsetting others so that they can hold power...
The movie is a fair rendition of what's happening out there. Americans produce more Nobel prize winners than any other nation on this planet. They also produce more technology (the computer you're using to send this) and the software to support it. They find out more about health and longevity is the result.
Interestingly, the British are falling far behind. Why? Number of reasons. Social welfare corrupts. Pubs make drunkards of you. In throwing out religion, you threw out the baby with the bath water. Unfortunately for you, there is an underlying ethical Life force out there, and going against it inevitably results in the demise of those that do. (It's a process.)
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Wordwizard
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June 1, 2005
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SORRY ARIALA.... but hahahahahahahahaaa..... (not against you)
When I saw this I almost forgot how bad my week was...I thought..."Now this is gonna be a bitch!" lol... I knew you were gonna be fired up. good to see someone else get wadded panties. Hey, I think the shits cool.
posted by
Kiddo75
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June 1, 2005
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Limey, just when I was beginning to like you, you post this closed-minded
piece. You obviously forget that many in the documentary ARE physicists, scientists and etc. I tend to believe them more than I do an English man who likes to go to the pub all the time.
Those in the movie include:
PHYSICISTS
William Tiller, Ph.D.
Amit Goswami, Ph.D.
John Hagelin, Ph.D.
Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D.
Dr. David Albert
NEUROLOGISTS, ANESTHESIOLOGISTS & PHYSICIANS
Dr. Masaru Emoto
Stuart Hameroff M.D.
Dr. Jeffrey Satinover
Andrew B. Newberg, M.D.
Dr. Daniel Monti
Dr. Joseph Dispenza
MOLECULAR BIOLOGY
Dr. Candace Pert
http://www.whatthebleep.com/scientists/
Perhaps next time you can research a bit more before posting a rather short-sited post.
See, I can be just as pissy as the rest of them, especially when you try to discredit the great work of quantum physicists. 
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Ariala
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June 1, 2005
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Agreed Limey
I saw the film and basically had the same reaction as you.
I though many of the scientists were incredibly self-involved; using a genuinely mysterious and exciting field of study to further their own interpretation of the world as we know it. Some of the film was genuinely interesting and provocative, but in many cases it went over the top.
Cheers!
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June 1, 2005
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