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What The Hell Are You Suggesting?
I can't figure what it is you're trying to say, or argue for, or against.
I don't agree with our government's reasoning or its values...but I can understand them. That's a necessary part of undoing them and getting some distance between where they are taking us and where I'd like to see us go.
posted by
Volaar
on May 26, 2005 at 9:02 AM
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Volaar,
I have never seen a government kill anyone for "solid" reasons! There are people behind those bombs and planes! We have only regressed our civilization under George Bush. America right not is unaffected because Americans are told they are safe, safer, safest!Americans can keep blaming others, but that only last until there are no others left!
posted by
Glennb
on May 26, 2005 at 6:20 AM
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Glenn...
...white supremacy and Anglo-Saxon supremacy exist in the upper classes. They have nothing better to do but congratulate each other on being sick enough to acquire the necessary wealth and power to be where they are.
Wishing away truth can appear to be reality, for a while. God's children, together, have that kind of power.
But truth always makes itself known.
I'd like to suggest you actually read and get out more. People don't kill other people like the US government has killed people without, "solid," reasons, insane though they may be.
But I do understand why you would want to deny the reality that I am seeing. There's alot of conclusions that would necessarily follow such a revelation. It is quite painful. Guilt-inducing. Until one day a person wakes up and realizes that guilt is totally unnecessary. What is necessary is communicating what it is we think we are seeing and why we think we are seeing it.
posted by
Volaar
on May 25, 2005 at 9:28 AM
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Volaar
You obviously know how the global system works. Good post!
posted by
Offy
on May 24, 2005 at 4:18 PM
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Volaar,
Too convoluted and makes a great movie but lousy reality! You are trying to live your fantasy vicariously through the prism of "White Supremacy"! Stop it! If Saddam were a puppet? Why would Bush Inc. want to take him down?
posted by
Glennb
on May 24, 2005 at 4:05 PM
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Glenn...
...if you actually believe that Saddam Hussein was not an American puppet, you have some distance to travel before you can get your head around the way things actually work in this world.
Saddam was a brutal, if incompetent, assassin. He had a helluva lot to do with the overthrow of the monarchy in Iraq and the non-Ba'athist regime that arose subsequent to the fall of the monarchy. He is a tough son of a bitch by anyone's estimation, surviving both maternal and paternal rejection and abandonment from an early age. He was raised by his step-father to be a criminal and was subsequently reared by his natural father's brother in the fine art of getting his way.
Someone as traumatized as Saddam was would be putty in the hands of the CIA psychiatrists -- a skilled bunch of mini-Mengele's who specialize in trauma (psychological) programming. When the Shah of Iran fell, Saddam and the West became fast friends in a proxy war between the US and the Soviet Union.
Why would anyone build a regime that they would subsequently tear down? Why bomb the shit out of Iraq so that Halliburton could rebuild it? Do you really need to ask this question?
Say what the propagandists want you to say about Karl Marx, the rich elites know he was speaking the truth. As was Marxes' predecessor, Georg Hegel.
Key point of accuracy in Marxes' synopsis of capitalism: war is the only end that can come of an economic system based on unfettered competition. And if one looks objectively at what has resurrected capitalism after prolonged periods of economic recession and depression, one realizes how accurate Karl Marxes' insights on capitalism were. And I need to say that being accurate on even several points does not necessarily make one's whole system of thought correct, or viable. I am not a laissez-faire capitalist, but I am certainly no communist foole, either.
Enter the twentieth century.
One thing the Bush Family has a remarkable acumen: setting up multiple wars on multiple fronts. The Bush Family, and many elite families in the US, financed the rise of Nazism. Why would they do such a thing? Well, there was alot of money in it, actually.
Business is about being in the right place at the right time with the right products. If one knows where the right place is and has some influence over the timing, one can market any number of useful products. Drugs for the poor, petroleum for the rich, and weapons for the middle classes to use on one another.
So why would anyone in their right mind install a monster in a country destined to become valuable?
Well, given that Saddam had no real father figure, he would be vulnerable to any padrone waving dollars in his face. Saddam, given his background, would have no real defense against an unscrupulous manipulator conscious of Saddam's deepest psychological needs. Promise him the world and deliver it to him for a good long while. Get him accustomed to trusting one or two patrons from the west. Then stab them all in the back and drive Saddam over the edge.
This is what occurred in the run-up to the Gulf War. Saddam was pissed at Kuwait, certainly, because he couldn't get the price for his oil that he wanted. He needed a higher price for the oil in order to repay Iraq's debts acquired during their battles with Iran. Notice at this point that no one was ever willing to excuse Saddam's debts. The US armed him and was handling him up to that point in time, but they were also insisting that Iraq pay its own way on the terms that we were in a mighty control of.
Saddam wouldn't have invaded Kuwait if he believed that the US was setting him up to take him down. He knew we wanted bases in Saudi Arabia and in Iraq. He was more than willing to sacrifice his own people if it meant getting huge amounts of aid from the US for reparations. So over the border he marched.
Bush saw the need to rid himself of a lunatic who was spinning out of control, as all lunatics do, and appear like heroes to the money in the Arab world. This would take considerable heat off of the Palestinian situation for Israel and so the diversion was carried out. Money was made by Bush alliances and alot of poor people in a demographic position to threaten Anglo-Saxon power were killed. It was win-win for everyone in business with the House of Bush.
The latest Iraq conflict is also a win-win for alot of Bush alliances. The French and the South Americans were cut out of the Caspian Sea oil and natural gas deals and the British and the Americans were dealt in after alot of big money had already been spent. American oil interests were pleased. Bridas Corporation was not.
Whomever controls the oil wells will be in a position to make a killing as the oil fields reach peak and fall into decline. Global panic is just another way rich people turn the lower classes upside-down and shake every last nickel out of them. American oil interests, once Iraq has been secured, will focus their interests on the African continent like a laser beam. I would also look to moves against Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Citgo Petroleum. Oil companies don't like being state-owned, and don't like to compete with wholely owned subsidiaries of foreign governments. Chavez may be limbering up even as we speak because someone is going to have to kiss his ass bah-bye, and it looks like it's going to have to be him.
posted by
Volaar
on May 23, 2005 at 8:18 PM
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Glenn, these are conspiracies, but they are True Conspiracies!
It's all quite predictable, as study after study shows. A brutal tyrant crosses the line from U.S. admirable friend to villian and scum when he commits the crime of independence. Consider what happened to Noriega in Panama, 1989. Saddam was possibly getting too cozy to France and Russia for our oil comfort designs. Do you really believe these are unbreakable, heart to heart bonds? Honor amongst thieves means nothing at this level. Bush & Gang seized an opportune moment to do what had been longed for at top tiers of power for quite a while - invade Iraq, seize her lands and resources and create a money wonderland for the special few.
posted by
Katray2
on May 23, 2005 at 3:53 PM
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Katray,
If only I could get you to recognize that Saddam Hussein was never an American Puppet! America had as much to do with Saddam ruling Iraq as you and I. Stop with the conspiracies! Why would they invede their own puppet?
posted by
Glennb
on May 23, 2005 at 3:09 PM
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Yes and Saddam was also a monster of our own creation
The truth is out there, if only people would look. Interesting blog and links.
posted by
Katray2
on May 23, 2005 at 10:01 AM
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Volaar,
American cannot and are not prepared to hold these people accountable! They have all been made slaves to the crumbs that fall from the table of these "profiteers of war"!
posted by
Glennb
on May 23, 2005 at 9:53 AM
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