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Typo! Second Paragraph Of Previous Comment!
I meant to say "illegal" instead of "legal."
posted by
Ainsley_Jo_Phillips
on August 15, 2005 at 9:13 PM
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It's Quite Possible...
...that your soccer-playing friend might have gotten hold of some marijuana that had some other things mixed in with it.
This kind of situation is more likely to happen when marijuana remains legal and in the hands of pushers who might be tampering with its purity in order to court smokers for the next level.
Unless it's for medical use, marijuana has no more business in the hands of minors than does tobacco and alcohol.
Alcohol does have a legitimate use when it comes to minors at times: When it's something served in moderation as part of a meal.
Perhaps, the same might be true of marijuana, if it's part of some kind of family tradition and not as something used in the kind of excess your friend was doing.
Even the healthiest food eaten in excess can make you gain too much weight--and, at the least, nauseate you.
What your friend was doing might be compared to eating 100 pieces of cake at one setting.
He wasn't just using marijuana--he was abusing it, obviously. And the same is true of your friend who was killed in the wreck.
Peace!
AJ 
posted by
Ainsley_Jo_Phillips
on August 15, 2005 at 9:12 PM
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Mia
We're in the same boat. I don't really get it either. However, there is a good point in saying that people have the right to choose. You and I can choose not to get high and make the ones who do get high do silly things. That's what I do when I'm around them =P
High person: "Where'd you get that pizza?"
Me: "From my pocket."
High person: "Oh." *Looks in his pocket to see if he has any pizza*
Good times
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on May 11, 2005 at 11:14 AM
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ThomasWelch
Laquer stores are dangerous and should be put out of business.
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on May 11, 2005 at 11:11 AM
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uni,
ah...the big debate....I could never understand why one would want to alter their mind...I mean I'm hardly working on a full scale mentally with all I have going on...I don't see why people like to be in a constant state of high..."mellow, hungry for munchies, sleep is good." Those aren't qualities I admire in a person. People get lazy when they are high. Same thing for drinking in excess...I just don't get it.
posted by
MiaElla
on May 11, 2005 at 11:10 AM
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Liquor stores not laquer stores, That’s a whole other issue.
posted by
ThomasWelch
on May 11, 2005 at 11:08 AM
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ThomasWelch
Ohh now that’s true too. Politics plays into the whole thing in a major way. You’re right that it’s wrong to tell our kids one is ok and the other is not. I won’t tell my kids that one is ok and one isn’t, but I will tell them that one is legal and one isn’t. Politics makes me nauseous.
And hey, thanks for stopping by.
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on May 11, 2005 at 11:08 AM
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Well, I think about it this way when it comes to intoxicants of any kind. Would I rather meet a large trailer truck, 80,000 Lbs. coming at me on a two lane highway with a driver who has been drinking Jack Daniels or Smoking some high grade weed. Well obviously I’d like him sober as judge but with laquer stores and bars in almost every town, that is not a reality at all. So my second choice would then be, I hope he is stoned on pot and not on whiskey. While marijuana can impair your abilities to operate a vehicle, is not nearly as faculty debilitating as a the ole Jack Daniels. Marijuana is illegal for political reasons, liquor is legal because of political reasons and the liquor lobby. To me it is a huge hypocrisy to send the message to our children that one is OK and the other is wrong. Right or wrong, good or bad I think they should at least be viewed under the same light. Our government is playing on both sides of the net on this one. Just one example of many that shows our government and its leaders must be stoned or Drunk or crunk or cracked or just plain stupid.
posted by
ThomasWelch
on May 11, 2005 at 11:03 AM
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fwmystic
Furthermore, let me say this. You’re point is very valid. Why should the majority be punished for the actions of the minority? I totally see where you’re coming from, and I totally see what you’re saying. I just wanted to make sure you knew that.
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on May 11, 2005 at 10:52 AM
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fwmystic
Ahh, here we go around again. This is a sensitive issue for you, isn’t it? This comment was a little nicer though, thank you. You’re right, people do make judgments all the time. And you’re right, my friend throwing away his soccer chances does say something about him. However, his determination to make things right again also says something about him. His willingness to accept that he made a mistake and that he has to work his ass off to achieve his dreams says something about him too. You didn’t know about those things, but you didn’t really care to know. You made a judgment based on very, very little knowledge. That’s what I have a problem with. But again, enough of that.
As far as my “banned universe”, you’re taking my comments about marijuana and pushing them to the extreme. You must think I want everything in the world that’s dangerous done away with, eh? I guess maybe I can see where you got that.
I tell you what. I’m going to let you run with that idea. I’m an idiot, and I think all bad things should be done away with so that I can live a safe, happy, boring life. I don’t want to ever be in danger and I’m scared of everything. Especially other people! It all makes sense, though, doesn’t it? Because I don’t think marijuana should be legal, I think everything dangerous should be banned. Sure, that makes sense.
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on May 11, 2005 at 10:44 AM
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People make judgments all the time, get used to it ...
if one of your friends threw away a chance to play professional soccer because he wanted to do drugs, well, that says something about him. If your other friend got killed in a car wreck because he was stoned, that also says something about him as well. If I miss a deadline for whatever reason, well, that says something about me. It's not discrimination.
As for introducing new ways for people to kill themselves, well, there's no shortage of examples of that already happening. What's next in your banned universe: bungee jumping, ultramarathoning, boxing, stock car racing, skateboarding?
The point is: your friends made bad decisions. Why should I, or anyone else, be penalized for their behavior?
posted by
fwmystic
on May 11, 2005 at 10:30 AM
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Numi Numi
First off, thank you. Thank you thank you. You have no idea how refreshing it is to see someone who wants to discuss rather than argue.
Sadly you’re right. The law hasn’t stopped anyone from getting and using marijuana. In fact, it’s pretty rare to find someone who doesn’t smoke it on at least rare occasions.
What’s more, you’re right again. I suppose it would be the exact same situation as alcohol. There would be those who enjoy it for giggles in moderation, and those who abuse the hell out of it. Hmm, so maybe it doesn’t really matter? Maybe it really doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not? Hmmm.
You see, here I’m torn. People should have the right to choose what’s best for them, but what if they choose what’s best for them kills someone I love? Ack. I guess really there isn’t much I can do. Maybe I just need to remind myself that everything human beings do is trivial. You know, that in a few thousand years (or maybe sooner if we get too trigger happy) the human race will be gone and the universe will trek forward. I dunno.
Thanks for the food for thought =)
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on May 11, 2005 at 10:27 AM
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fwmystic
Mmm, such passion in your comment. I like it. Anyhow, you're absolutely right! Alcohol DOES kill a crap load of people every single year. The point that I’m making, however, is why should we introduce NEW ways for people to kill themselves and each other? Also, you’re making a judgment about my friends without knowing anything about them other than the fact they had drug problems. You’re grouping people with drug problems and calling them slackers, which is of course judging a group of people without taking into account personal merits. By definition, that is discrimination. But enough of that. Again, the point I was making is that making marijuana legal would only introduce new ways for people to harm other people. Why do we want that?
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on May 11, 2005 at 10:07 AM
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Still a choice
You make a very good point as to why people should choose not to imbibe in any kind of mind altering substance. But, let me address a few facts in your post.
Firstly, the people you made reference to were minors. I don't think anyone is advocating the legal use of marijuana by minors. Secondly, your friends were smoking and indulging in these substances while they are illegal. So, how has the law stopped anyone from getting and using these substances? It hasn't. People are going to make their own choices.
It is very possible that if these substances were taken out of the hands of "pushers" and sold from behind a counter to people who can prove they are adults, it may have been more difficult for your friends to purchase the drugs in the first place.
While these stories of your friends are very sad the fact remains that there are many people who use marijuana responsibly and in moderation. There are still people who can find relief from the medical peoblems they have by using it. Everyone of us is different and we live different lives. What is right for one is not right for all.
I still remain convinced that adults in a free society have the right to make their own decisions concerning what is right for them.
posted by
Numinous
on May 11, 2005 at 9:57 AM
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I totally hate to point this out, since it blows your theory all to ...
hell, but couldn't you make that same argument against alcohol?
I mean, puff, people do drink and drive (cough, cough) and kill innocent people. Why aren't you campaigning to bring back prohibition if you are wooried about people driving high? Just because your two slacker friends made bad decisions doesn't mean everyone has to suffer their consequences.
posted by
fwmystic
on May 11, 2005 at 9:48 AM
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Goodness
Typos galore. I'm going through and fixing the obvious ones =P
posted by
Unidentified_Hacker
on May 11, 2005 at 9:43 AM
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