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Ok...after all of that, I'm not sure who was dissin' me or who was
clickin' with me...lol. Although I don't think I was really putting anyone down...just making an observation. But what was this whole "sign of weakness in a writer" thing?
posted by
Kiddo75
on May 5, 2005 at 8:31 PM
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MHW--Cantey beat me to my question...Your posts often remind me of the
stance Bill Cosby has taken regarding the black community.
posted by
Renigade
on May 5, 2005 at 8:16 PM
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Terpgirl30,
I am not good at the words! So you handle the difference between lucid and demented! Either could offend a "Brother"! Oh Kaaaaay!
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 4:21 PM
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Mightyholywarrior,
Any Black man would understand what is meant by the statement: "You ain't Black"! And would answer the charge differently! So take off the "black face" and own up to the con! "Brother"!
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 4:17 PM
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I liked a recent Cosby interview I saw
He was talking about how way back when parents looked out for one another's kids, but people are too afraid to do it now.
He said when he was little, he was accosted by a gang everyday...okay, they were over age 65, and they were harassing him to go home and do his homework and chores. I liked his point there. I've grabbed many a kid in the mall with "Where are your parents?" I know it's going to come back to bite me, but I know I won't stop. My neighbors kept me in line which annoyed me then, but I'm glad for now.
posted by
terpgirl30
on May 5, 2005 at 1:34 PM
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Cantey 1975, it's interesting you asked that question. Frankly, I've never
been a fan of Cosby, but I certainly did like what he had to say about "what's going wrong with blacks." I agreed with everything he said and hope that he will continue to drive his points home.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 1:27 PM
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Numinous, thanks for visiting. I owe you some reads & I'll begin taking
care of that real soon.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 1:23 PM
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MHW
what do you think of what Bill Cosby has been speaking out about lately?
posted by
calmcantey75
on May 5, 2005 at 1:21 PM
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Dang, my laptop ate my comment
GlennB
Nowhere in any comment have I said your opinions are offensive. I said they weren't lucid. Big difference. I don't know that I've read *any *opinion that's both well written AND offensive. Again, I don't have to agree with an opinion to like the way a person writes. As a journalist, I try to keep my opinions on the right or wrong of post out of it. I've been offended by people who attack another writer but don't really give an opinion...just loaded words. Opinions are good, attacks are bad. That's for you and for anyone else, including myself.
When someone attacks a person because of his opinions, the person just comes off very sketchy to me. When a person, any person, not you in particular, writes letters to the effect that another person---probably a stranger---has doctored his photos, that's seriously sketchy.
I'm sorry if you think my comments are harsh. I don't think you are being offensive so much as, well, odd. If MHW's comments are offensive to you, write something that gives the other side. Give your opinions on why this or that is wrong. That's interesting. "Oh, yeah" and "Well I never" don't get a writer's point across well. You've never said this, but that's how it comes off. Give a sincere other side. I'll read it. It's an interesting topic. Like I said, even though the subject in general doesn't affect me, I related to it from the hyphenated world I tried to live in once. You haven't spoken to MHW's opinions on just being an American, the fact that it's a pain in the behind to list a hundred hyphens in front of your identity, etc. You've made this all very personal, and it's not.
MHW
I never thought the photo was doctored, but honestly, after reading that someone made that allegation, I had to take a peek. Okay, I'm embarrassed for myself for looking. I've even picked up a copy of The Enquirer. How can you look away from a front page that reads (really): Dan Rather Distorts the News, with another headline underneath, "Plant People Invade the Earth." You HAVE to look. You know you shouldn't give credence to something like this...but you HAVE to look.
I really expected to see a photo of a guy whose head is 2-3x times the normal size on top of a tiny body. I found a normal guy with a normal size head. It was a nice photo, but when you were expecting something in the vein of Plant People Invade the Earth...well, you know.
Seriously, who else here would think to write letters about some guy on an Internet site who may or may not have put a doctored photo of himself? I've never had the urge, and I know I'm dealing with people who post their high school photos but are pushing 60. Still, I didn't write that in any group. Why would you?
Some guy in my writing critique group started saying he had *googled* me and discovered that I'm only 20-30 years old, so how dare I say I have the experience I have. Well, I said I'm a 20+ year journalist. I have 20+ years in the field. My photo is on the site. It's of a 40+ year old woman. (I think it's the same one I have on here.) Now, I ask, is there any 20 to 30-year-old woman who would post a photo of someone older than she is? I've never met such a woman. I don't care about age, but I still wouldn't think of a reason to make myself older than I am. I had children for that.
The guy googled me though. I'm sorry, but that creeps me out. I don't think I'm paranoid for thinking that. Does Glenn know you personally? If not, why would he have reason to think you doctored a photo? How would he know what you look like? See, creepy.
The long and short, Glenn's comments aren't offensive...just strange.
Kim
posted by
terpgirl30
on May 5, 2005 at 1:17 PM
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All-righty-then..
whew, take a breath. Good job. :)
posted by
Numinous
on May 5, 2005 at 1:15 PM
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Noreseman, thank you very much for your comment. I deeply appreciate it.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 1:00 PM
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I'll be at my castle
posted by
I-R-William
on May 5, 2005 at 12:57 PM
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MHW...
I want to say again that I am a huge advocate of your opinion. The things you say need to be said very badly, by a black person such as yourself. GlennB is a victim, because he chooses to be one, and he wants black people everywhere to be victims with him. Victimhood must be a very comfortable crutch, to defend it so vehemenently. You voicing your opinions here are no different than me voicing my opinion and trying to make correction when relatives with my name go astray. They are my family and I have an obligation to illuminate their shortcomings for their ultimate benifit. Write On MHW.
posted by
A_Norseman
on May 5, 2005 at 12:53 PM
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Glennb, this is between you and me. Get off Chelly's case.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 12:14 PM
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TerpGirl30, FYI, the photo of me is NOT "doctored" in any way. That's the
real me.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 12:12 PM
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CHELLYBELLY,
Speak of the man and he appears on CNN! I am telling you that job is yours to have! You will be confirmed too.
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 12:10 PM
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You, too, Mighty
I'm glad I wandered in. There are some great writers on here who sort of get buried under the "just talking to myself" posts.
Kim
posted by
terpgirl30
on May 5, 2005 at 12:07 PM
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Terpgirl30,
That really hurts! That was pretty harsh for an opinion that is offensive to you! But, I have no right to be offended! Hmmmmm!
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 12:05 PM
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Chelly
I've been editing lots of books for people recently. I see the !! thing all the time. When I first started dealing with these authors and people a writing critique place, I would try to teach these people that if you have to yell all the time (caps in the ENTIRE) post or put !!!, chances are you haven't used words that are strong enough. It's a sign of weakness in a writer.
Odd thing I found, however. Outside of the teenagers who just do it, most of the !!! ??? people are from Europe or Canada. I did a scipt for a woman in Portugal, sort of a Disney thing. There was a ! at the end of nearly every sentence. A Disney thing.
This is all just an aside. I don't think that's the case here. I think you're on target. American writers substitute !!! for strong verbs to make points. It makes your eyes hurt.
Kim
posted by
terpgirl30
on May 5, 2005 at 12:05 PM
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TerpGirl30, I'm really glad I made your acquaintance today. You're cool.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 12:05 PM
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Glennb, & there's a real good job waiting for you in Fidel's palace.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 12:01 PM
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GlennB
As I said, this forum invites all sorts of posts, no matter how lucid or demented. You're in the latter category, and you prove the point over and over. It's sort of like of like Field of Dreams. "Build it, and they will come."
Your orations are beyond paranoid. That you made a comment about MHW photo is so off center. Even if it were true, why do you care? Again, it's a "get a life" point. Yes, that first part was for you pretty much exclusively.
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Back to our regularly scheduled programming...
MHW---Maybe you can speak to the Catholic girl thing better than I can on some angles. :) Although, I sure heard my share of Catholic school girl stories growing up. See, never assume. BTW, I got my A's in the class, got Confimed, and became a Protestant, but in the political forum I'm in online, I get to explain all the Catholic questions. In so many ways..you're always who you were.
Kim
posted by
terpgirl30
on May 5, 2005 at 12:00 PM
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Chelly, you're right, & now I'm worried about him. All of those exclamation
points are an indication that his blood pressure is sky-high. I hope he won't end up having a massive stroke or something.
And thanks, friend, for your kind words about my post.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 11:58 AM
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CHELLYBELLY,
There is a job for you in Homeland Security!!! Have you seen Cherthof? See I can't even spell his name> Now you got me running scared.
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 11:56 AM
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Glennb, I going to start taking bets on when you will be banned.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 11:53 AM
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I'm going to stray off the point a tad, and bring up something that I think
very interesting...and if investigated would probably bring alot of things "to light"...first off, MHW, great post...second, as long as everyone agrees to disagree yell and scream all ya want as long as no one infringes on anothers rights...now. My keen eye very intelligent insight sees something that could be an underlying deep seated issue with Glennb... almost every sentence he writes ends with an exlamation point! Have you noticed this! Everyone sometimes! Doesn't it seem like he's always yelling?! Even when he is being nice about something?! As well as being mean about something?! Sometimes we don't know! But I'm scared to figure it out sometimes! Cause he's gonna yell at me! Am I the only one who notices!!! HUH!!!
lol...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by
Kiddo75
on May 5, 2005 at 11:48 AM
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David1Spirit,
There is this concerted effort on the part of Mr. Mightyholywarrior to be a self-hating Black Man! My comments are directed at the man/woman or boy/girl in the post. I do not spread blame! They do sometime touch a nerve. I am prepared to defend my position in words! I hope others are as well?
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 11:46 AM
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David1Spirit, the comment you made RE: "buffoon" & "35-year-old white boys"
was right on the money. There is no need for you to explain yourself or make any apologies.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 11:42 AM
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I wasn't trying to be a whiner or complainer either
I have been in enough "debates" on Blogit where I said things that didn't come out right.
Sometimes in the heat of an argument shit happens.
Peace! 
posted by
David1Spirit
on May 5, 2005 at 11:31 AM
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Glennb, it's not nice to make racist statements on Blogit.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 11:29 AM
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glennb
You told MHW that ".....You my friend are a buffoon! Please grow up! You souns like a 35 year old white boy! .......".
What exactly do you mean by that?
Is there something about white males that happen to be about 35 that you have a problem with?
Besides the fact that they are buffoons of course.
I told MHW earlier that you weren't doing anything that could get you banned or censored. But that particular comment certainly could!
posted by
David1Spirit
on May 5, 2005 at 11:24 AM
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Mightyholywarrior,
What! Is "friend" a banable word?
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 11:24 AM
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Glennb, you are getting mighty close to "banning territory," son. Better go
somewhere and cool off.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 11:16 AM
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TerpGirl30, thank you for taking the time to write your thoughtful, en-
lightening comment. You gave me a whole lot of useful advice.
Now, on a lighter side, I know quite a bit about "white Catholic-school girls." Back when I was a teenager, I frequently hung out around Bishop Conaty High School (which was located in downtown Los Angeles) so I could hit on some of the "white Catholic-school girls" who went there -- and I almost always succeeded at "making friends" with one of them.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 11:14 AM
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Terpgirl30,
My first problem starts when another person begins to speak for another! Let Mightyholywarrior explain himself! You do sound a bit paranoid but I am not in your shoes! See my point!
Let the debate flow in spite of his bluster, he still has his keyboard to hide behind!
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 11:12 AM
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Mightyholywarrior,
What are we some animal to be trained by the "massu"? We ain't nuttin but a bunch of breeding rats? You my friend are a buffoon! Please grow up! You souns like a 35 year old white boy!
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 11:00 AM
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MHW
I thought I had written before when I read some of the recent posts from you, but now I'm thinking I wrote them in my mind. Sorry. :) I enjoy your posts. I don't have to agree with your---or any other person's---posts 100 percent, or at all, to appreciate the logic, train of thought and good writing. I've read many people who can make me seriously nuts to the point of arguing with a computer screen, but if it riles me up to that point, it generally means it was well written. A crappy diatribe gets canned pretty fast with me.
For those who go crazy because MHW here has these strong opinions there are a couple of points:
1) Get a life. 2)It's his life he's writing about. I'm a white girl with a Catholic school upbringing. I'm hoping MHW has a better handle on his world than I do. If he starts doing white girl/Catholic posts, then I'm more of an authority, and I'd think my opinion would carry more weight, just as his opinions carry more weight in this case. As it is, I read as an interested party. I can have opinions but it's like making rules for other people on their specific issues. How dare I? It doesn't affect me in the least, and it affects him profoundly. 3)Even if I disagree with a post, except for truly crazy people, I find that those who can write like this generally make a point. I always walk away with something to think about.
Glenn---I don't want to have to start referring to myself as a white, Polish-Hungarian-German-Irish American. MHW ancestors have been here longer than mine, I think. I am just an American at this point. Moreover, just logistically speaking, it's a pain. I hyphenated my last name when I married (the ex). I was married for 20+ years. The whole thing gets really cumbersome. Then, as MHW said, the generations span out and time passes, and it gets more complicated. I had children. Okay what would their last names look like? When they marry, and they marry a hyphenated name, do they have 4 last names.
I'm an American. MHW is an American. How he wants to refer to himself beyond that is his own business. You'll notice he says he refers to people the other way when they refer to themselves that way. I try to respect how people want to live their lives.
MHW, as far as you reporting this guy...well, you can, but it won't go anywhere. Annoying doesn't mean dangerous or obtrusive. It will only mean something if he starts bothering you personally or defaming you in some way. Since most people on here defame, I don't think the stuff you've seen thus far constitutes that. I've seen so much worse here.
You're writing a pretty strong opinion, and those things attract strong answers. It comes with the territory. Now, if a person starts writing you personally, and you tell the person to stop, in my state (Maryland), you can kick in with stalking measures immediately. I'm not sure how many other states have the anti stalking laws we have; I'm told we're frontrunners. I plan to do an article on this because of the many problems I've had with lunatic stalkers on the Internet. (I've ended up in posts all over the place from people I don't know. One guy started following me because I said something to the effect of "Nice Poem" in a writing group.)
This forum, however, invites comments, lucid or demented. It's the entire purpose if you look at the physical set up of the pages. Comments/posts. It crosses the line when it is taken out of here.
If the person is routinely offensive/abusive, your only recourse is to take it up with Blogit, but my gut is that like EVERY Internet provider I went to to get abusive stalkers (I mean that literally.) and posters away from me, the organization will tell you that it is in your hands. You can block people, delete their comments, etc. That's what you'll here.
Yahoo took this position in a group with a guy who out called every person who wrote one weird vile name after another. You gotta love people who can't spell curse words but insist on using them. Yahoo told me to block the guy. My position---and it would be the same position with Blogit---is 1)there is a terms of service that *I* have to adhere to, so I'm sure others do as well and 2)I'm a paying customer. The other yahoo guy had a free account. As I pay for the service, I expect the business to protect me to the best of its ability. Delete or ignore isn't the proper answer. Um, the computer we sold you is broken, Ms. Smith? Well, have you thought about using a pen and paper? That doesn't work in the real business world, and I never understand why it works on the Internet.
Now, if you think it will progress, yes, I'd report it just to have it on record. When I feel a hinky type starting up, I keep a "crazy file" in my email where I file everything. I copy the posts that were made to me and email them to myself for this file. If you need it later, it's there. If the person stops, that's better.
Kim
posted by
terpgirl30
on May 5, 2005 at 10:57 AM
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Glennb, you got it backwards, country. In order for the "victims" to cease
to be victims, they must be made aware of their shortcomings and shown how to fight for themselves.
And once those things are accomplished, they have the ability and other resources to counter-attack and destroy the "perps" themselves.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 10:54 AM
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Mightyholywarrior,
You are a stay on message "Nigger"! Only sound bite response from you! If that is true someone should be held accountable! I want to start with the perp's! You want to execute the victims!
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 10:37 AM
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Gleenb, I don't consider your little rantings to be a challenge. You do not
possess the tool to challenge me.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 9:56 AM
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Glennb, obviously unbeknownst to you, "The Establishment" started throwing
millions of blacks into the ovens way back in 1973, when abortion was legalized.
And in addition to that, there is the AIDS epidemic that suddenly appeared from out of the blue, and that is affecting blacks far more than any other group.
And it is largely because of unliberated souls like yourself -- who do nothing but a lot crying and complaining -- that black society is being exterminated right under everyones' noses.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 9:52 AM
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Mightyholywarrior,
You want to be an unchallenged fool! Start a "Chatroom"!
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 9:45 AM
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Mightyholywarrior,
I have no problem! I do not believe it! Just like your professed "Blackness"! I know you will run from it when Bush starts the "Ovens"!
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 9:42 AM
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David1Spirit,
I like to inform not enlighten! Thanks!
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 9:40 AM
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Glennb, FYI, a whole lot of that money went into my pocket, & it is still
pouring in.
Do you have a problem with that?
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 9:31 AM
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Glennb
Those last 2 lines of your comment make excellent food for thought.
posted by
David1Spirit
on May 5, 2005 at 9:28 AM
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FWMystic, nowhere in this post did I indicate that I am ashamed of being
black or that I am ashamed of my race. The point I made -- and made quite clearly, if must say so myself -- is that I am profoundly disappointed with the ways in which much of "my race" is currently behaving.
And the primary reason why I am disappointed is I love "my own people." I want only the best for them.
Thus, I shall always do everything in my power to help "my fellow blacks be all they can be."
It is just that I have a "tough--love" approach.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 9:27 AM
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Mightyhollwarrior,
This is a collective Black man failure! Don't be cute and exclude yourself! I know you want to continue to point the finger towards the victims of Jim Crow, Lynchings, Institutionalized Racism, the list is long Mr. Mightyholywarrior. You can bury your guilt in the rhetoric of your master. But do not expect me to fall into that trap!
It rests with a process that presupposes a moral and intellectual superiority. Your President is spending 300 billion dollars to find some new "Niggers"! How much of it went into your pocket? And what will you old "Niggers" do when the process is complete?
posted by
Glennb
on May 5, 2005 at 9:25 AM
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MHW - as much as I agree with your points ...
I think there's a psychological term when society's conditioning reduces an individual to disliking the perceived shortcomings of their own race. There's countless examples where black folk tried to lighten their skin or straighten their hair in order to be accepted. Sad.
Cuz no matter what you do or how you feel, you will still be a [racially insensitive expletive deleted] in some people's eyes.
posted by
fwmystic
on May 5, 2005 at 9:20 AM
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David1Spirit, he certainly does have the right to criticize my posts. How-
ever, he does not have the right to make attempts to dictate what I write. And that is exactly what this man attempts to do on a constant basis -- to dictate what I write and the ways in which I think.
posted by
Feenix
on May 5, 2005 at 9:16 AM
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MHW
I also don't agree with what he wrote. In fact I don't agree with most of what he says.
But he does have a right to say it, much like you have the right to state your point of view. Just by somebody protesting your position, doesn't neccessarily infinge on your own freedoms.
It's no different than say if a group of Neo-Nazis want to hold a meeting somewhere. Just because others are out there booing and hissing and yelling and protesting, it doesn't mean that they aren't actually denying these people their freedoms.
It's a very cloudy issue sometimes, but unless someone actually denies and stops that person a chance to express themselves, then no real laws have been broken.
posted by
David1Spirit
on May 5, 2005 at 9:11 AM
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