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Limey,
Do you follow glennb dipshit around? I saw a word vomit thing appear at a comment area that was being debated by idiots. Do you follow that ass around? Is he your ass following you around? WORD VOMIT seems appropriate. I noticed that he was in many or your comments. Is he in an insane asylum somewhere that has a WWW hookup? Thank You.
WORD---VOMIT
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Jack_Flash
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April 24, 2005
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Dear Bloggiteers.
Please join me in making a NO MORE WORD VOMIT pledge.
Don't click on sLIMEY he is publishing
WORD VOMIT
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/Entrepreneur_Maker4712/252213
posted by
Entrepreneur_Maker
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April 24, 2005
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Limpwristed?
Puleazzzzze!!!!!!! (tigerprincess rolling her eyes)
posted by
tigerprincess
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April 24, 2005
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Okay "tend to be"
semantics it is. Nevertheless, it seems to me you have never been to this country to state such a thing. In fact how many Americans have you known more than superficially? Well, probably none with that attitude, so scratch that question.
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FactorFiction
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April 19, 2005
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Facts straight FactorFiction
Who used the world 'all'? You did.
posted by
Limey
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April 19, 2005
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You have got to be kidding.
"Loud and arrogant" for all Americans? You have never been here have you? And yet you are an authority on Americans (in your mind at least.)
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FactorFiction
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April 19, 2005
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amfish
Thank you for your long, considered and well-written comment: I agree with virtually everything you say. However, you must surely recognise there are national traits? And Americans tend to be loud and arrogant - which is perhaps a main reason the US has problems in the Middle East today.
You say you’re not proud to be British. Fair enough: pride after all is a sin!
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Limey
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April 19, 2005
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A Norseman
You ask why Britons don’t make their own films. Of course, this is a perfectly valid point, and one well answered by amfish in his recent comment to me. However, I believe it’s important for film makers to stick to the facts when dealing with important historical events – whether British or American. And I agree - parents should take full responsibility for their children’s actions, here or over there.
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Limey
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April 18, 2005
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First up, I'm a Brit as well...
but I'm not proud of it - not because there's something wrong with the place, but because taking pride in the fact that you just happened to be born somewhere is senseless. Nationalism is, to me, the root of a good many ills. We should be proud of what we achieve, not accidents of birth.
However, I do feel that, deliberately mocking though the original post was, there is a fundamental point that's important underneath it all. American movies, particularly historical ones, do tend to distort history. The classic example is The Great Escape which added a token American to a British prison camp and then made him the only one to survive (in real life there were no survivors) despite having made very little effort. The reason for this was not specifically to distort history but to make sure that the film sold - in the same way that, after test screenings, a happy ending was bolted onto Pretty Woman. Americans make movies for US consumption: if the rest of the world are happy to pay for them, they love it, but Americans are their key audience, because Americans go to the cinema more, rent movies more and buy more videos and DVD's than their European counterparts. Americans are brought up to believe that their country is 'the best in the world' - similar to how Brits were raised during the height of Empire - and that means that Americans have to be the heroes of their movies and, if possible, some other country has to provide the bad guys.
The trouble is that it's not just a harmless delusion. Obviously, people who lived through the events portrayed aren't going to go 'hey, is that what really happened?' but in a nation where literacy is gradually slipping away, more and more young people will know only what Hollywood tells them about history. And that can't be a good thing. British cinema has, in its time, been just as guilty - none of our WWII films would admit that there were Germans who actually opposed the war and films are rarely, if ever, made about wars in which we were the agressor, but after the collapse of the British Empire and the absolute hammering we got by German bombing in the war it's been much harder for our people to delude themselves into thinking that we are still what once were. There are still remnants of it left - the media attitude to Europe is pretty poor - but it is sinking.
Hopefully, it won't take anything as catastrophic as a world war for America to shake off it's own delusions. 9/11 sent a shock through American culture because most people didn't understand why anyone would want to attack them and that led to questions being asked. As long as people keep asking, keep looking out at the world outside for answers, there is hope.
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As to the British film industry - I think the reason that it doesn't survive is that, to make blockbuster films, you need a US style budget and, to get a US style budget, you need to make a film that will sell to the US. In the end, all you're doing is making US films in Britain (which is more or less what happens). If we can get over the idea that you need every film to look like ILM worked 28 hours a day on it, then we could probably turn out some good stuff. Certainly BBC TV manages it - you only have to watch the new Doctor Who to see that we've still got it where it counts.
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April 18, 2005
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Entrepreneur Maker
Correction to headline.
posted by
Limey
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April 18, 2005
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Entrepreneur Marker
A little history lesson:
The first attempt to give scientific basis for the cause of scurvy was by a ship's surgeon in the British Royal Navy, James Lind, who at sea in May 1747 provided some crew members with lemon juice in addition to normal rations while others continued on normal rations alone. In the history of science this is considered to be the first example of a controlled experiment comparing results on two populations of a factor applied to one group only with all other factors the same. The results conclusively showed that lemons prevented the disease. Lind wrote up his work and published it in 1753.
Lind's work was slow to be noticed, partly because he gave conflicting evidence within the book and partly because of social inertia in some elements at the British admiralty who saw care for the well-being of ships' crew as a sign of weakness. It was 1795 before the British navy adopted lemon or lime juice as standard issue at sea. (This practice is probably what led to the nickname limey for British people, especially British sailors.)
The name "antiscorbutic" was used in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries as general term for those foods known to prevent scurvy, even though there was no understanding of the reason for this. These foods include lemons, limes, and oranges; sauerkraut, salted cabbage, malt, and portable broth were employed with variable effect. James Cook relied on sauerkraut to prevent the disease on his voyages of exploration.
posted by
Limey
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April 18, 2005
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Tigerprincess
It's obvious to the world that American women wear the trousers. I just feel sorry for your limp-wristed men.
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Limey
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April 18, 2005
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Is it just me or do you truly hate Amercia? Come now, are the British really so uncivilized that they have nothing better to do than attack America? Honestly don't you have a tea party to go to? One word of advice: Thank your luck stars that the pilgirms who came over here did, becuase if they had stayed in England, they would have produced the same, strong kickass women that rule here in the states, especially the redneck girls like me that might prove to be a bit too much for your dandy self. Tata luv.
posted by
tigerprincess
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April 17, 2005
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has
any one actually questioned the fact that he calls himself 'limey' not self-respecting brit I know would. Maybe they do...and further, he uses American spellings, not the queens english...
I agree, quit replying or arguing with the bloke...and D-Mann...You are SO RIGHT ON in all your comments here. Excellent comments...
Good Day!
posted by
Entrepreneur_Maker
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April 17, 2005
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Temp --
I don't smoke...and I'm afraid kicking the shit out of this guy might be impossible! I'd be at it for decades and STILL not see the end of the shit in him! DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 17, 2005
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I know Dennison...
But still, it's just the principle of the thing. He's big weenie. See, how's THAT for an articulate American! I've been up all night working, so that's the best I can do. Had writer's block, too. Miserable bastard. Oops, was that crass? When I was in school in Ireland, I spent some time on holiday in England, and the men loved me. They say, American women were so free, not uptight. We laughed more, played more easily, and we liked sex (I didn't sleep with any of them). I did find that funny since British comedy, television and so on, is so much more free with sexual innuendo and such. In any case, I'd say that's a good, strong vote for our team from the Brits. I even got a marriage proposal (from someone who wanted to stay in London, not get a green card). Dennison, quit smoking, it's bad for you. ;) Meanwhile, I'm off to dream land, so kick the shit outta this guy across the pond for me a few times, will ya? :)
posted by
Temple
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April 17, 2005
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Temple, You're Right
...when we read the post, it counts as a page view. When we make additional comments to the post, it does not count as a page view. Heck, I'd have considerably more page views if all the comments to my blogs counted as unique page views!
Besides, Temple, I don't worry about rankings so much. After all, the top dollar earner on Blogit barely makes enough to keep me in coffee and cigarettes for a month (if I were to take up smoking.) The money and popularity do not keep me here, but the exchange of ideas and my addiction writing certainly do. DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 17, 2005
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yes, but Dennison...
You gotta read the post to comment on it....right? So, we should just ignore him, since clearly his only intent is to cause trouble and act like a bratty little boy, with no decorum of his own. And, actually, Jimmy was curious about this, he asked about the page views on his distribution list? You know it will say something outrageous like 72, when I posted 3 times or something, and it's because of comments. So, it's not that clear. In any case, he's only been here a few weeks and he's #5, so you tell me....
posted by
Temple
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April 17, 2005
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yes, but Dennison...
You gotta read the post to comment on it....right? So, we should just ignore him, since clearly his only intent is to cause trouble and act like a bratty little boy, with no decorum of his own. And, actually, Jimmy was curious about this, he asked about the page views on his distribution list? You know it will say something outrageous like 72, when I posted 3 times or something, and it's because of comments. So, it's not that clear. In any case, he's only been here a few weeks and he's #5, so you tell me....
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Temple
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April 17, 2005
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Temple
This is my first visit to his post. It will be my last. I was going to try to explain to the writer that in war, mistakes are made. To those of us who study WW11, this post is an insult. Not just to American's, but to the Brit's as well. Having lived there, I know most do not feel the sentiment he spews.
posted by
Offy
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April 17, 2005
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Temple
Adding comments to his Blog does nothing to improve his ranking. Only actual page views affect any blog's standing. Additional comments do not count as page views. DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 17, 2005
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Here's what's really stupid.
Everyone runs around bitching about that Limey bastard, but meanwhile they keep clicking on him and leaving comments. I thought about this a few posts ago, and decided this ass wasn't worth my pennies. But, now, because everyone can't resist putting in their two cents to someone who is clearly just trying to get your dander up, his post is now #5....and he's been here a very short time. Well done Blogitville. He says he hates us, so you put him in the top ranking!
posted by
Temple
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April 17, 2005
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So, Limey, When Did I Become The Issue?
"Dennison Mann is totally incapable of cogent argument and therefore unworthy of my time. Personally, I am certain this sad, deluded American is quite deranged."
I didn't know that I was the issue here. If you don't define the above comment from you as an ad hominem attack then you really do live far outside of reality. Maybe too many late nights with microwave popcorn and bad Hollywood movies has pushed you beyond the margin? DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 17, 2005
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Dennison Mann
Ad hominem attack? Hardly. As the cap clearly fits, wear it.
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Limey
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April 17, 2005
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Glen -- First Off
I'm not responsible for what politicians say.
Secondly, if African nations could efficiently and prosperously govern themselves then you don't have a gripe and we're not having this discussion.
Thirdly, I don't especially agree with such generalizations.
And lastly, stop whining and offer solutions, genius.
DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 17, 2005
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Ahh...ad hominem Attacks.................
The last arrow in a desperate archer's quiver.
Nice try, Limey, but you missed. Care to take another shot? Show everyone just how low you can go?
DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 17, 2005
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Glennb
Thank you for your explanation.
In fact I had already come to the conclusion that Dennison Mann is totally incapable of cogent argument and therefore unworthy of my time. Personally, I am certain this sad, deluded American is quite deranged.
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Limey
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April 17, 2005
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Dennison Mann,
Then George Bush was right! "The Brown Race cannot govern themselves"? So all we have to do is enslave them to a dollar dominated system!
posted by
Glennb
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April 16, 2005
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Glen
You just rely on intellectual dishonesty so much that it's now habit for you. I don't care what it "seems" like to you...nations around the globe have borrowed money from the World Bank (the US) and many have repaid them. You complain about usury on a continent so rich with resources in a dollar-dominated world while other nations (Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, Ireland, Poland, and Malaysia) have managed to repay loans and thrive where African nations (with all their mineral riches) cannot. Why is that, Glen? Is it because I have my head in the sand or is it because black-run governments find themselves habitually bogged down in corruption, violence and utter incompetence? Stop making excuses and stop blaming the white devil for the failure of African governments. DM
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Dennison..Mann
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April 16, 2005
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Dennison Mann,
Just seems like usury to me! Borrowing money to buy dollar dominated goods is double dipping! And frankly stupid!
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Glennb
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April 16, 2005
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Wait...So Somehow Nations Borrow Money From The US
Then whine that they have to pay it back? So what? You think the world would be better run if nobody had to pay back money they borrowed? Great...Glen...lend me a couple thousand. Sheesh, get it right. I said CHARITY....not loans. What do you want? Americans lend money and give money and now you think it's stupid for the US to expect paybacks on loans they've granted? You got a better solution? C'mon, don't be so simple. DM
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Dennison..Mann
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April 16, 2005
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Dennison Mann,
Do know that these African Nations spend 100 million dollars a day servicing the debt of American benovelence? I keep trying to get you to take your head out of the sand, but you refuse! I will not be responsible fot your ignorance!
posted by
Glennb
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April 16, 2005
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Glen, Please Have Some Courtesy.
Just because you can't express a valid point doesn't mean you should resort to insulting me with an unfair character assasination. You know nothing of me. If anything, you're delusional since you can't provide an alternative to feeding 6 billion people but continue denigrating all things American. Be a man, Glen, answer one simple question and one difficult question. Easy question: How much charity does the United States provide to African nations each year? Difficult question: Seeing as how you're so dissatisfied with the current world affairs, how will you do a better job of generating a world economy that raises the living standards of so many souls? DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 16, 2005
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Limey,
You have to understand Americans (Dennison Mann type) take their delusions very seriously! If you tell them that they were a part of the British Empire thay say, So what! They actually believe John Wayne and Ronald Reagan actually fought in WWII and Vietnam! Believe me I get chills at the prospect of revolt in the ranks!
posted by
Glennb
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April 16, 2005
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Correction: disrespected DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 16, 2005
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Limey - So What Are You?
The self-appointed voice of disrespecteve WWII veterans and the best you can do is whine about a couple of Hollywood movies?
And I'm worried about your opinion of what becomes me? Sheesh, how far outside of reality do you live? DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 16, 2005
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Dennison Mann
How completely absurd.
I'm certain the former British soldiers concerned do not base their knowledge of history on Hollywood movies like 'Saving Private Ryan.' As they lived through this hell the notion is quite insulting.
Please, in future, try not to be quite so simplistic and abusive: it really doesn't become you.
posted by
Limey
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April 16, 2005
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Limey...
I don't quite understand...who is keeping Brits from making their own movies? It's a free world, well...almost, thanks to us by the way. Actually, I have a lot of problems with hollywood myself, it is way too left leaning and therefore is not an acurate representation of life or history anywhere. To that I say "so what", I don't go to the movies to learn, I go to be entertained. When my kids were little, if a movie was off-base it was my responsibility at the end of the day to make sure they have the right information. The same is true of public schools where theory, speculation, and personal teacher biases are taught as fact. It all comes down to parental responsibility whether here or across the pond.
posted by
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April 16, 2005
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Gee, Limey...For A Limey
...you're just not the brightest star in the sky. It was a rhetorical question. But if you're making an issue of such non-issues as Hollywood's embellishment then this issue obviously ranks somewhere dear to your heart. If you think you need to "set the record" straight for people who base their knowledge of history on Hollywood crap then have at it, chum! Whine, away, old bean. Whine away!
"Whaaaaaaaaaa...mummy, dearest! Hollywood told a fib!"
"Now, now, lad....let mumsy change your nappy!"
DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 16, 2005
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Dennison Mann
Embellishments? Don't be ridiculous, Mann. Wrong is wrong, right is right.
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Limey
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April 16, 2005
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No Mr Mann - untrue just like Hollywood
What evidence do you have that I base my knowledge of history on Hollywood films? The facts about these two events are as I describe them.
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Limey
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April 16, 2005
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To Use Your Words, Limey?
"• ‘Gettysburg - The South’s Success’ – a superb all-British Civil War musical set against magnificent Scottish mountains. Bloody good – ‘The Times.’
• ‘How Britain Won The West’ – starring Welsh wizard Anthony Hopkins and fresh-from-the-Valleys Catherine Zeta-Jones. A shot in the right direction –‘ The Daily Telegraph.'
I can see it’s about to happen - or something quite like it. Because we English are fed up with the way Hollywood portrays our history."
Seems like you're bent on revising vhistory to "set the record straight." Before you do that, though, you should consider an end to your English belly-aching about the embellishments produced in Hollywood. Whining is just that and nothing more: whining. DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 16, 2005
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In A Word, Limey?
"Who bases their knowledge of history on what Hollywood produces? Oh...that's right! Limey does!"
DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 16, 2005
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Dennison Mann
This is odd. Why should my future posts deny that America beat the Japanese at the Battle of Midway, liberated the Phillipines or dropped atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasake? After all, those bombs helped shorten the war and saved millions of Allied lives.
Furthermore, why should I think the people of Sicily and Paris would not be grateful to American troops for helping liberate them?
This post highlights two Hollywood films that carelessly distort British history. For the sake of the Britons concerned and their families I believe the record should be set straight.
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Limey
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April 16, 2005
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Limey -- I'm Sure Your Next Post Will Tell The World
...how England single-handedly won WWII by carpet bombing Dresden, thwarting Rommel in the Sahara, defeating the Japanese at Midway, liberating the Philippines, and then bombing Hiroshima and Nagasake. I have in-laws from Sicily who still recall the day (fondly) when American troops took control of their island. I've spoken with French citizens who STILL thank America for evicting the Nazis from Paris. But, of course, you Englishers weren't hiding in your Underground while Hitler nearly leveled London with rockets that Neville Chamberlain never anticipated. That was all Hollywood myth too. Right? Who bases their knowledge of history on what Hollywood produces? Oh...that's right! Limey does! DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
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April 16, 2005
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Glennb
In this case it's up to Hollywood to play it straight. So many youngsters, in your country and mine, learn their history from American movies.
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Limey
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April 16, 2005
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Limey,
Just think Brits and Yanks battling over history! I can only salivate. Maybe in the end we will finally get the "fiction" out of History!
posted by
Glennb
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April 16, 2005
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I'm against it too, Limey.
posted by
TARZANA
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April 16, 2005
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Fabulous
Thanks. It explains a lot. But quite infuriating for the Britons involved and their families.
posted by
Limey
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April 16, 2005
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Well ... the word around here is that G.o.d. is an entertainment lawyer in Southern Cal. One of the best, in fact. So there's your defense -- basically, Pro-F*ck-Up.
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TARZANA
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April 16, 2005
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