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Heaven knows how many more meanings there are to heaven, no?
posted by
Straightforward
on January 16, 2005 at 6:48 AM
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Westie, have you dropped your brush?
I know no reason to doubt that what you say might be true. It could be a problem to some to act upon that belief. It's pretty black and white which is verrrry scarrry to some. It demands a choice in belief.
posted by
pappy
on January 15, 2005 at 1:45 PM
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pappy - judgement is sure
the judgement is not whether one is saved, but how --that's the way I see it.
our deeds indeed do enter into this.
we are judged both in the here and now by our peers if they are honest, and at the end.
to clarify a bit -- i don't think there is a human alive who really knows what lies past death -- all of us can only conjecture
i think -- think -- that's the operativew rod -- i think that when we die we are judged whether our lives have become mature enough that the essence of our selves can transfer to the next step, "graduate", if you will, or whether we have to come back and do it again.
that's the simplest explanation -- sometimes it just might seem that this process is much more complex than that and that ther can be other reasons for reincarnation.
but again -- i don't know -- i only infer from what I have read and experienced
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 15, 2005 at 7:16 AM
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Thanks for the timely reminder, Westwend
Followers spoke of the 'Door of Jesus' in James' time. The divinity of Jesus was not so important as the reality of the door which He was able to open for us. "Behold, he stands at the door.." Perhaps anyone who can make it to that door will be allowed through, for it will be by their deeds they are going to be judged, not by their ideas.
posted by
pappy
on January 14, 2005 at 5:03 PM
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You are right especially about the control part.
posted by
justAcarpenter
on January 14, 2005 at 2:15 PM
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Westwend -
Well put! The sooner those who feel heaven is a "place" expand their understanding, the sooner love will become the dominant expression in this world.
posted by
sannhet
on January 14, 2005 at 1:48 PM
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west I was not addressing you in that last comment on my post
posted by
calmcantey75
on January 14, 2005 at 8:50 AM
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