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This is probably just going away from the original discussion of
forgiveness, which was in response to a post of mine asking the meaning of forgiveness, to this discussion on interpretation of love, and vows. Another good discussion for you to start, Jim!

posted by KlaraRoberts on December 27, 2004 at 11:32 AM | link to this | reply

Perverts?
I never said anything about loving temporarily. I said you can only Love in the present moment. I still love my ex-wife. The people I love are forever. I do not know any perverts. I do know and love some wonderful homosexual people bith men and women.

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 27, 2004 at 11:06 AM | link to this | reply

I have no interest in the activities of perverts, and I think that a person who thinks love is temporary does not love at all.

posted by TARZANA on December 27, 2004 at 10:57 AM | link to this | reply

Of course we plan for life
or we would not enter into the vow. BTW, how do you understand Jesus telling us not to make vows?

What happens to all the folks who broke their vows, are thy going straight to hell?

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 27, 2004 at 10:54 AM | link to this | reply

As One who was married
I totally disagree. We can only love truly in the NOW. Would you have people who have grown apart stay together in a marriage that brings pain and suffering to both, just so they can say that they are truly loving. And at the risk of opening a can of worms, can gay couples get married and love one another truly?

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 27, 2004 at 10:52 AM | link to this | reply

One who cannot plan to love for life and fulfill the vow does not love at all.  Not at all.

posted by TARZANA on December 27, 2004 at 10:49 AM | link to this | reply

Excuse me, but..
With today's marriage statistics, the marriage vow is no guarentee of anything. Love is love and ever more shall be so. As far as rapist attitude...huh?????? I am talking only about consensual sex between two adults who love one another.

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 27, 2004 at 10:44 AM | link to this | reply

I am certain that "a loving sexual relationship" can only be experienced when one loves truly, meaning there will be no abandonment, and therefore, the marriage vows.  I think your attitude and behavior in this regard is rather rapist.

posted by TARZANA on December 27, 2004 at 10:37 AM | link to this | reply

Thank you for the inquiry
Yes, I think I am combining thoughts of a sexual therapist with those of a preacher. I think sex has been a big stumbling block for many as they search for God. I personally see no conflict here. Not everyone has a spouse...does that mean that cannot have a loving sexual relationship. From my perspective they can and it can lead to knowing God better. Who invented sex? I think it was God. I am glad for this dialogue, thank you.

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 27, 2004 at 10:30 AM | link to this | reply

Sham,

I'm asking about this stuff:

Sexual Positions: The Complete List - 4 days ago
(Posts hidden - blog rated MA)
Mature Audiences - Popularity rank: 396

Sexy is as sexy does - 7 days ago
(Posts hidden - blog rated MA)
Mature Audiences - Popularity rank: 535

I have not studied these posts, but it seems from looking that you are attempting to combine the occupations of sex therapist and preacher.  A holy man must keep one's mind OFF of the carnal thoughts, or he distracts one completely from pure thoughts, as sex is something we must share ONLY with our spouse in moments of privacy.  Please explain yourself.

posted by TARZANA on December 27, 2004 at 9:25 AM | link to this | reply

How can I join?

Actually, on the inner planes, I am already a member

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 23, 2004 at 6:55 AM | link to this | reply

Personally, I like the Church of Bob.  For $25 when you die, you can go ANYWHERE you want. 

posted by Blanche. on December 22, 2004 at 11:31 PM | link to this | reply

Wonderful, Dear One We are ALL with you through this healing time

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 22, 2004 at 11:27 PM | link to this | reply

I've been thinking about this all day, Jim, and honestly, the only thing I
can think I would need to change is to become less trusting. But she's already done that for me, and that's why I harbor some hate yet. I'm wrestling here, Jim with these questions.

posted by KlaraRoberts on December 22, 2004 at 4:56 PM | link to this | reply

Jim, you sure got that right!
If you don't learn the current lesson, it comes back again and again until you learn it or it beats you.

posted by pappy on December 22, 2004 at 4:47 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks,
W.S.

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 22, 2004 at 2:08 PM | link to this | reply

It's good that you are working through this Klara.
It's been a long time coming, eh?

posted by word.smith on December 22, 2004 at 2:00 PM | link to this | reply

You Look,

Of course I did answer your question after  you made a comment in a comment back to you, but I would be happy to respond again if you can refine your question to give a sense of what it is, exactly, that you are questioning.

Light

Jim

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 22, 2004 at 11:05 AM | link to this | reply

Ah, My Dear Wife, you are asking the right questions
So ask yourself this.  What belief do I need to change to allow this extension of my self named Dee connect to the infinite love which is by its very nature, healing?

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on December 22, 2004 at 11:03 AM | link to this | reply

And my new discovery about my friend, changed me forever, Word.

posted by KlaraRoberts on December 22, 2004 at 10:15 AM | link to this | reply

I do agree with the title of your Blog
I do agree with the following statement up to a point.  All of our beliefs MUST be tentative, because they need to change as we gather more evidence (life experience).  This has to do with change as well.  So much of what we believe can change from day to day, based on the things that happen to us.  Sometimes it takes just one unfortunate situation to change our whole attitude to other individuals.  As it pertains to my beliefs as it pertains to God, those are pretty much set, except for when I make what is for me, a new discovery.

posted by word.smith on December 22, 2004 at 10:06 AM | link to this | reply

Shamsuddin,
I wrote in your comments a while back a question regarding your strange combining of the spiritual life with sex lessons, asking you to explain yourself, but I have no way of finding the answer to my question at this late date.  Can you please let me know what you are supposed to be about, as I find this very confusing.

posted by TARZANA on December 22, 2004 at 9:47 AM | link to this | reply

Alright, Jim, I do see how I choose to hold the belief that she will hurt
me again. And that when holding this belief I am hurting myself. But I also may hurt myself more to forget. I do believe I've forgiven on some level, maybe the only level I can forgive on.

I have been thinking about this, and Dee obviously wants my forgiveness, as she can't live without it. But for her, the forgiveness entails letting her back into my life, and really, it's a terrible thing to say, but I feel some form of hate yet for her. I hate how she adjusted my way of thinking years ago. To me she was selfish. I just have a different view of her now, and a friendship is not possible, and the only way she will believe I forgive is to have the friendship.

I'm a Baptist, and "If Thine Eye Offends Thee, Pluck It Out".

posted by KlaraRoberts on December 22, 2004 at 9:29 AM | link to this | reply