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this is just johnny cash's autobiography from the late 90's. it was my brother's copy so i only read the first two chapters while i was visiting him. in the first chapter he tells of how his older brother was acting peculiar and how he (cash) felt something was going to happen and later that day, and his brother died in an accident at a mill. he talked about how his older bro was a hard working selfless person which make me rather more than less inclined to believe it was a suicide.

i think i know what you mean about spiritualism. it is seen as a "good" because it offers a "completeness" to anybody who embraces it in whatever form. it may be that weak characters who are not able to accept or absorb or embraces or whatever that completeness are the ones who lean toward argumentativeness and violence despite all their "spiritualism". there does seem to be legitamate "spiritualists" of whatever stripe who do embody whatever their particular brand of spritualism perscribes. perhaps the difference is only personal though, for i find that those i'd put in the lattrer i find estimable regaurdless of their creed and regaurdless of whether of not i feel inclined to agree with them to some degree, and those in put in the former i largely despise on the same grounds. maybe there is another factor here?

posted by rovesciato on December 27, 2004 at 1:33 AM | link to this | reply

Rovesciato

No, I haven't read Johnny Cash's autobiography. Once again, you impress me with your breadth and scope of reading. So someone had a "premonition" about someone else's coming suicide? I am not adverse to such a thing, if we are little fish swimming in a big spiritual ocean. But I have not lost my skepticism. What is that investigative principle.... always take the simplest explanation. Human deception is usually the simplest and most logical explanation. Even when one gains confidence in another's honesty, they are only being honest about what they believe, and belief is not fact.

Honesty is not such a wonderful virtue anyway. Osama Bin Laden impresses me as quite an honest, sincere fellow. More important is the moral principles or values we follow, whether honest about it or not.

My wife could well be a Djinn in the flesh, and I find myself in the position of holding a tiger by the tail. It is quite a ride, but I must keep my grip short and tight, or I am doomed!

posted by GoldenMean on December 23, 2004 at 1:29 AM | link to this | reply

guess is should have read the top of that comment below. same doubts, not doubteing Cash's honesty of narrative, which is rather stark.

posted by rovesciato on December 21, 2004 at 10:55 PM | link to this | reply

so are you sure your wife is not a dijinn in the flesh?!?!?!?

i remain a sceptic. one of the kids i grew up with, one of my best friends in adolescence, stood over his parents with a knife but didn't stab; the story is familiar. i think the suicide of the girl was emotionally fabricated. have you read the first chapter of Johnny Cash's autobiogaphy? it wounds to me very clearly that his brother committed suicide at work, although it is described in "premonition" language. i don't reject outright, but these srories feel a little circumstantial - except for that of your wife :)

posted by rovesciato on December 21, 2004 at 10:52 PM | link to this | reply

jrmypatt

My friend's story was intriguing, and I don't think he was spicing it up with embellishments. He seemed to be a very honest fellow, as most sincerely religious people are. But in all three of his episodes, there could be deception. In the wizard's shop, a hidden speaker with a tape player could have done the trick. In the beautiful girl's suicide, a man could have somehow done the crime, and made it look like a suicide. Or the father could have killed his daughter in a rage, and forced the family to support his story. In the soldier's suicide in the desert, the unfortunate soldier could have simply been having delusions, and acting out a bizarre story in his insanity. I know a woman from Indonesia who thought that her dead mother's spirit told her to kill herself, so she slit her wrists. I know a woman from Thailand who confessed to my wife that she heard her dead father's spirit tell her to kill her husband, so several nights she stood over her sleeping husband with a knife. Luckily, she did not carry out the murder.

I don't have any more stories about the Djinn, but here is a fascinating website I found with an investigative article about the general subject: groundzero Remember the recent story about someone trying to sell a "ghost in a jar" on Ebay? This guy thinks it is a Djinn who is bound to the jar.

posted by GoldenMean on December 20, 2004 at 8:59 PM | link to this | reply

Carpenter

Yes, I would be in trouble if a female Djinn showed up, but the Djinn could be in worse trouble! I think my wife may have more fire in her spirit than a Djinn.

posted by GoldenMean on December 20, 2004 at 8:12 PM | link to this | reply

Great story…

But you could be in a lot of trouble…lol

posted by justAcarpenter on December 19, 2004 at 7:21 PM | link to this | reply

Wow!

The stories that you told make my argument fall apart. Usually stories like that are "I know someone that knows someone", and that is what I expected from your friend. You have caught my attention, and I would love for you to keep writing about this subject if you have anything else.

posted by jrmypatt on December 19, 2004 at 2:22 PM | link to this | reply