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well, matos
I think I understand the differences.
Hades has in Christian understanding meant the grave, like the Hebrew Sheol.
Then there is the fire -- hell-fire -- Gehenna -- the Lake of Fire. Everlasting torment.
I am just pointing out that this Greek underworld is the pattern from which the Christian concept of Hell arose (sic). My understanding is that this Hell is in the underworld. Dante gives it many levels, with many varieties of torment. The impression here is that it is a massive, cavernous underground complex from which no one can emerge once assigned there.
My contention is that Christianity has to change its concepts. They are not only obsolete, but inconsistent with what I perceive to be the teachings not only of Yeshua, but the Apostle Paul.
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 8, 2004 at 1:48 PM
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Well simply all cultures are built on the past. Christianity starting in Ancient Rome, but also we have Paul and others who travelled to Greece after the death of Christ. Ancient Roman Gods and traditions mirror Greek mythology in many ways. Travel between Greece and Rome, though dangerous was available. I think Early Christians came from various beliefs and still held on to old ways and superstitions.
posted by
the-loanlady
on December 8, 2004 at 11:11 AM
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Weren't you talking about the similarities of the two? I thought that was the point of your post. Hades would find it's way in the bible since it was translated from the greek version hundreds of years ago. Translators will substitute words they know for words they're not sure of. Hundreds of years ago when the bible was translated, it was done by many translators, not one. That's why it may not be consistent. It is yet another example of how interpretation has affected the bible. Whether it is called Hades or Hell, there are not enough similarities to make up for the differences. Please scroll down and read the differences. As I said before, there are better examples of similarities between the bible and mythology. Hell and Hades isn't one of them.
posted by
Matos
on December 8, 2004 at 7:07 AM
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matos
so how come Hades in in the Bible?
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 8, 2004 at 6:54 AM
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You were talking about similarities between the two. Hell and Hades have two different themes. One gives eternal damnation while the other offers that and paradise in the form of the Elysium fields. One has it's ruler suffering along with the other souls in Hell, the other has hades who holds seat in the Olympian Pantheon. There aren't enough similarities to make up for the differences. Please reread my comment in regards to your post.
posted by
Matos
on December 7, 2004 at 7:34 AM
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unicorn
I will check out your links later.
I've got to go right now -- got business elsewhere.
thank you for the links.
I always want to be better informed and educated.
although when I did check out the prophecy link I did comment that there are problems with that.
If I see a problem with this link I will certainly comment. And if I don't I will certainly comment.
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 7, 2004 at 7:32 AM
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HADES IS NOT IN THE BIBLE?
Is that what you mean?
Hades is in the Bible -- New Testament -- translated Hell -- it is the Hell in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man ("in hell he lifted up his eyes") that is Hades. Christians think it is the hell-fire and brimstone.
the hell-fire and brimstone you refer to is Gehenna -- the trash heap in the Valley of Hinnom where trash is burned.
Let's go over one thing about fire: fire does not have to be quenched in order to go out. quenching means throwing water or using some other means in order to extinguish the fire. so an unquenchable fire can go out without anything extinguishing it. All that's necessary for this is lack of fuel.
In Paul's writings, the fuel is chaff -- also with John the Baptist. When the chaff, or impurities, are all burned, then there is no more fuel for the fire and the fire is no more.
We go through this fire in our lives if we set ourselves to the goal that is expressed in thses religious writings in particular -- when the impurities of our life have been burned then there is no more fire.
I regard the trash heap of Gehenna as this life -- dereliction, if you will -- and there are many derelicts if you take the time to look for them -- they are going through a hell that no one wants -- we wouldn't wish it on our worst enemy.
think about it.
there is hope in reincarnation and continual purging of the "soul" through successive lives -- -there is no hope in the traditional hell.
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 7, 2004 at 7:28 AM
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I thought the Christian idea of Hell was of fire and brimestone where people suffer for eternity for their sins. Hades is the ruler and judge who determines who goes to the Elysium fields (also part of the underworld) or to eternal suffering (I'm not sure what that section of Hades is called). The ruler of Hell is lucifer and he doesn't reward anyone for a good life. Also the word Heaven, refers to the sky as in the vault of heaven. Christians believe in going up to Heaven when they die good Christians and going down to Hell when they've been bad.
Although there are examples of similarities between Greek Mythology and the Bible, this isn't one of them. I thought you were going to use the example of Sampson and Heracles. Both were incredibly strong, both were betrayed by the women they loved and I think they both were almost killed as infants. I could be thinking of Gilgamesh on the last one. Actually Gilgamesh is another example similarities between cultures and religions.
posted by
Matos
on December 7, 2004 at 7:13 AM
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westwend
It's a good site. To answer the question has to do with where the Greeks got their mythology. All mythology is handed down stories, and after a few generations it is impossible to tell without comparing to other stories how old they might be. But when you do find other, older stories that are parallel, you begin to trace a thread through history. But it is literature and history, not repeatable science, so it's open to belief as least as much as to verification and authentication.
posted by
pappy
on December 7, 2004 at 6:59 AM
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unicorn
I've read I think all those Bible passages -- I've commented
and I intend to comment further -- this is just sort of an introduction to what I have discovered and intend to discover concerning the Hell that the King James translators have handed to us.
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 7, 2004 at 6:52 AM
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Matos -- I am saying
that the Christian idea of hell comes directly from Greek mythology -- or don't you see that?
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 7, 2004 at 6:50 AM
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http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/Hades
posted by
PastorB
on December 6, 2004 at 3:43 PM
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Are you comparing the idea of Hell with that of Hades? Or are you comparing their version of the changing seasons of Hades seizing Persephone with the Christian notion? I'm not sure there is an official Christian version of the changing seasons. Please clarify.
posted by
Matos
on December 6, 2004 at 3:33 PM
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O.K.
so I read it. Now will you read this?
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
and then read Matthew 8:12 & 25:41-46, 2 Thess. 1:9, Rev. 19:20
posted by
PastorB
on December 6, 2004 at 3:32 PM
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