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Hell is just a payback.
So is Heaven.
posted by
TARZANA
on September 17, 2004 at 12:35 PM
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Of course
he/she won't be at home there.
posted by
Friar__Tuck
on September 16, 2004 at 10:12 PM
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I think that an evil person...
would be more unhappy (uncomfortable?) in heaven surrounded by saints than in Hell surrounded by demons.
posted by
nevertheless
on September 16, 2004 at 12:46 PM
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SunFever...
here is my response to your
discussion.
posted by
Friar__Tuck
on September 15, 2004 at 10:40 PM
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choosing to do wrong
and being wrong are two different things. One chooses to do what is right, even if "the right thing" is really wrong. E.g. "Mommy, I am pregnant, but I am not yet ready to be a mother. I'm going to the abortion clinic to have this embryo removed. I choose to exercise my right to my own body. I don't need Patrick's seed destroying my sexy waistline. What would my fans say!" etc...
posted by
Friar__Tuck
on September 15, 2004 at 10:17 PM
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freedom is not about choice
there is no freedom in being "wrong"...for every "wrong" you "choose" for yourself (ie be a part of your belief system) you are enslaving yourself to the "wrong" the only freedom that exists is in "truth"...hence jesus said 'the truth will set you free'
posted by
sunfever
on September 15, 2004 at 9:50 AM
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But we can still choose...
between right and wrong, otherwise, how can be free?
posted by
Friar__Tuck
on September 15, 2004 at 6:27 AM
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the problem is...
that there is a contextual conflict when trying to discover why hell or heaven, for that matter, has been created. inevitably it will be like the three blind men touching the elephant (the guy at the trunk calls it a tree, the one in the center calls it a wall and the one at the tail calls it a rope)...
existentially we are within a 'framework' where pieces like 'heaven' 'hell' 'god' 'evil' etc are absolute points of reference with no possibility of fudging those to suit whatever convenient dramatics we choose to swallow (whys n wherefores contemplation on heaven and hell's creation is beyond the scope of the perceptive flux that current existential awareness offers to most of us in the human race - ok it might seem like am upping the ante and shoving such understanding into a kind of 'holy grail' but then...thats how the cookie crumbles...flashback: garden of eden - eat dust baby east dust)
there are certain matters beyond individual choice - e.g. we are born as human beings, no amount of grandstanding will change that...
the "lie" that we have been taught is that - "morality" is a matter of individual choice - it is not...(well morality is not the best word but a close approximation, but within the context it conveys the meaning for that collection of value premises that are generally accepted as "good" and not "evil", a better word would be "arete" or "virtue")
arete exists...an absolute point of reference...it is just that we have to "grow" our perception to understand wht it really is all about.
to even begin a semi serious investigation as to why heaven and hell exist...we should progress some way along the arete path...(most of as are practically areteless)
posted by
sunfever
on September 15, 2004 at 5:55 AM
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This Has...
...always struck me as the model for a perfect police state!
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 15, 2004 at 3:41 AM
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