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Frankk -
I'm glad the sarcasm was coming through. And I am with you. Unconditional love is the only kind. Thanks for reading.
posted by
sannhet
on September 6, 2004 at 8:32 AM
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Westwend -
Thanks again for the kind words. I enjoy reading you as well. You make me think. And the bit about not needing to love the womand down the street was an attempt at showing the "conditional" love I was trying to put across in my post.
posted by
sannhet
on September 6, 2004 at 8:32 AM
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obviously you're being sarcastic, good post. i beleive god IS unconditional love.
that unconditional love is the only real love, and all other forms of love are
an aspiration to that. i know you were being sarcastic about jesus in the
temple but i think he was just speaking the language they would understand.
posted by
frankk
on September 3, 2004 at 1:08 PM
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To be kind as an act of wisdom is one thing...
but the Bible also says that liars will not go to heaven, and to profess love falsely is a lie.
posted by
TARZANA
on September 3, 2004 at 12:56 PM
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I get your sarcasm
I love to read you -- love especially the "seeker" part of the title of this blog.
Yeah, that could give people an excuse not to love those they see as not being on the level of perfection they are.
what's this about this last comment here -- "you don't have to love someone is you don't want to."? -- is that it?
well, you don't have to love anyone and many people don't.
love is not a required thing (just because there are two commandments concerning it)
it is a volitional thing.
no, you don't have to "love your neighbor as yourself".
a lot of people don't -- why do you think we have all these wars and discrimation and such?
what happened to "love the sinner and hate the sin"?
Christians don't hate. Christians love. So if you are a Christian, you shouldn't be talking about not loving someone.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 3, 2004 at 11:23 AM
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It's dishonest to say you love someone who you don't love.
posted by
TARZANA
on September 3, 2004 at 10:25 AM
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Sarcasm
This was my attempt at sarcasm. I guess it didn't go over too well, though Westwend's response was close to what I was looking for. I wanted someone to explain the human side of Jesus and that anger doesn't mean we don't love. Guess I haven't built the "rep" yet to allow for sarcasm. Have a good labor day all!
posted by
sannhet
on September 3, 2004 at 6:12 AM
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actually this is an instance of Yeshua's
being a very human human being.
he lost it -- right?
our image of Jesus is that of the perfect one -- right?
Jesus doesn't sin and doesn't do anything wrong.
This scene doesn't really fit that image does it?
Yeshua, on the other hand, is a human being.
He has human faults.
Here he is, having entered Jerusalem on the eve of the Passover Feast, when he anticipated (I really think so -- he was going to confront the religious establishment, knew this would have certain consequences) a difficult time. He was hyper because of this -- saw the stalls and booths (reminds me of the curio shops at tourist attractions, particularly across from Graceland, a very similar situation) -- the priests allowed this and probably skimmed a little off the top -- exchanging currency at exhorbitant rates, selling animals for sacrifice at exhorbitant prices -- got pretty well pissed and lost it.
This shows Yeshua's human frailty. Later (see Matthew's account) he rails the religious establishment up one side and down another -- again, if you read this correctly, a violation of principles -- could be this was intentional on his part in order to bring about the ultimate confrontation.
Then in John, he teaches his disciples to "love one another as I have loved you" - this was after he stripped himself naked in front of them, then wrapped himself in a towel and lowered himself to the role of the lowliest servant to wash their feet -- as an example -- he that would be leader of all must be servant to all.
anyways -- we have a choice -- either accept a new Yeshua who is human and fraught with human frailty just as anyone else, or keep with Jesus, who is mostly a mythic figure that is contradicted by several scenes in the gospel accounts (that his adherents have to concoct complicated explanations for).
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 3, 2004 at 5:54 AM
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I meant to say discipline, not disciple.
posted by
Ariala
on September 2, 2004 at 8:39 PM
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Okay, I hope this is sarcasm or you're drunk or something...
It's because God loves that He chastises. A good parent doesn't let a child get away with bad behavior. Disciple is a sign of love not of hate. I'm sure you were just being sarcastic...
posted by
Ariala
on September 2, 2004 at 8:32 PM
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