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mary x...
...welcome to Blogit!
You say you're not sure who I'm engaging with this list. In answer, I'd say I'm engaging whoever chooses to get engaged - including you!
With regard to baiting vegetarians, you'll have to get to know them better before you can be successful on that one! What makes you think they (we!) are "so concerned about the ceremonial cleanliness of their food"? There's nothing very ceremonial about my food, and I'm no cleaner than anyone else - carnivors included! The same applies to other veggies I know. Wanna try again?
On organic food, it is expensive (though surely you know there's a market for organic beef and chicken which are not, last time I looked, part of the vegetarian diet). The fact that organic food (meat and vegetable alike) is expensive is just a statement of fact. It doesn't mean it's bad or elitist. The plan is to push organic food (meat and veg) into a position where it's comparable to, even cheaper than, the goodness-free, taste-free, factory-farmed shite that supermarkets sell.
To want it any other way is to fall for the propaganda of industrial farming and the agro-chemical businesses. And none of this is a purely veggy argument, anyway!!
Next!
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
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September 5, 2004
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Evangeline...
...BOO!! yourself!
Thanks for reading.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
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September 5, 2004
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Westwend...
...you ask some good questions.
I notice no one yet has tried to answer them...
Thanks for stopping by.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
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September 5, 2004
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Huh?
Oh, well done, mocking the Old Testament is like shooting fish in a barrel. But, you may be a little behind the times: about 2,000 years. Christians by definition live by grace and not by law: the only commandments: "Love God with all your heart, mind and soul" and "Love your neighbor as yourself. " Christ himself mocked the laws, and worked on the Sabbath. He said the Sabbath was made for man and not vice versa.
I prefer to bait vegetarians myself, my idea of modern Pharisees: who are so concerned about the ceremonial cleanliness of their food, they neglect to wonder what is coming out of their minds and hearts toward their fellow human beings and have a tendency towards moral superiority completely unjustified by dietary or other standards. Besides, organic food is so expensive, it's a form of elitisit luxury no working family on a modest family could afford. O, thou holy rhutabaga!
If you really want to see a good old-fashioned lampooning of the Christian Right, see the episode of "West Wing" where Martin Sheen as President Bartlett lays into a talk-show host about your very same quips: not keeping the Sabbath, touching pig skin, etc. I don't know who exactly you're engaging with this list, possiby the Amish, or the Apostolic faith, or whatever, but I don't know too many modern Christians worried about touching pigskin. Go fish!
posted by
Blanche.
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September 4, 2004
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Fundamentalists know no reason.
There is an entire history to the Christian movement which was "modified" by Paul , quite politically, to attract and keep the goyem in the movement. The New Testament was written decades after the death of Jesus--I think Mark is the oldest, written 50 AD. When you read the different gospels, they sort of confer on the main story, but Jesus has a different personality in each. Now, Jesus came to reform Judaism and it makes me sick when "Christians" go poking around in the Old Testament for the kinds of beliefs that would fly right in the face of Jesus himself. When I try to show sense to these people--I am the great deceiver!! If you are smart, Damon, it is because of the DEVIL!!! booo!
posted by
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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August 15, 2004
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Ah, good ol' Leviticus.
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roofpig
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August 13, 2004
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Hi DL -- here's the passage you are looking for
Funny thing is that to make this argument sound one must stop dead in their bible reading. Flip a few pages and one runs smack dab into another suggestion that sort of blows the relevancy of the first out of the water. I've put both here for your amusement.
Lev 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
Lev 25:44
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
posted by
gomedome
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August 13, 2004
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caint say it aint so . . . but . . .
you can't use it
it's old testament
christians that use it also have to refrain from eating pork and also have to keep passover because those are in leviticus too.
also -- check out some of my blogs in religion and spirituality and look for some references to leviticus there -- and kooka's too -- you'll see som ethings in leviticus that you'd think we shouldn't keep today.
and check out the first verses of leviticus
the question you have to ask christians that use this verse is this: are they picking and choosing what they say is valid? do we have to keep all of levicitus or just part of it? is leviticus just for jews or is it for Christians? all they have to do is answer questions like this and maybe we can come to some sort of understanding.
posted by
Xeno-x
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August 10, 2004
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Me????
Stir people up????
Perish the very thought.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
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August 10, 2004
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So you're just trying to stir people up, is that it? ;-) Okay, I'll be watching this one then.
posted by
roofpig
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August 10, 2004
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Stick This One...
...in Favourites for a while and you'll see what i mean!
Hey - and thanks!!
D
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DamonLeigh
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August 10, 2004
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