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A poll or the Bible, hmm, what shall we believe?
posted by
Ariala
on July 25, 2004 at 9:26 AM
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FYI on Jesus Sinning
Just as an FYI, a 1999 study of American adults conducted by Barna Research showed that there is an almost equal split in opinion among American adults. 42% believe that he sinned; 40% believe that he did not.
posted by
sannhet
on July 25, 2004 at 9:24 AM
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Westwend
I like the idea of Christ as a concept. I am going to check out your blogs a little deeper to learn more. But I still hold that I don't think mankind was ever condemned to a sinful life. It just doesn't make sense to me if God is Love.
posted by
sannhet
on July 25, 2004 at 9:07 AM
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I hate when it does that - please delete the dupe.
posted by
Tamara99
on July 25, 2004 at 6:17 AM
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My understanding of why he came down was to show us that it could be done.....that it was possible to play by the rules and still win. If he sinned, then the point of the lesson was lost. The crucifixition was Plan B, because even after the demo, people still whined about the baggage they carried from the past. So god said "Fine. Slate clean. No more excuses! Just do it!"
--T99
posted by
Tamara99
on July 25, 2004 at 6:17 AM
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My understanding of why he came down was to show us that it could be done.....that it was possible to play by the rules and still win. If he sinned, then the point of the lesson was lost. The crucifixition was Plan B, because even after the demo, people still whined about the baggage they carried from the past. So god said "Fine. Slate clean. No more excuses! Just do it!"
--T99
posted by
Tamara99
on July 25, 2004 at 6:17 AM
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the difference between Jesus and Christ
I think it's important that we make a discernment here.
Jesus, or Yeshua the man, was a preacher, probably a Jewish Rabbi -- there are hints at that, including what people called him ("master" is the KJV way of saying "rabbi", meaning, of course, "teacher" going mainly through Galilee and environs. This is where the dispute over the crucifixion and resurrection is.
Christ -- meaning "anointed" and such, is what affects us today -- whether we think it is "Christ sitting at the right hand of God", meaning Jesus resurrected and sitting there -- or, as I believe, Christ is a concept -- ,meanimg Salvation, meaning we are no more under the penalty for sin.
There are several ways to describe this. I have in several of my blogs.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 25, 2004 at 6:08 AM
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Westend, being tempted is not sin...
Christ was born with the physical need to eat, drink and etc., but I contend His greatest temptation was being tempted to use His divine nature to get off the cross or do other things that would have stopped His mission.
posted by
Ariala
on July 24, 2004 at 9:14 AM
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Nope. Jesus was without sin. He did not sin. He was sinless.
posted by
TAPS.
on July 24, 2004 at 9:03 AM
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strong's "tempted"
no. 3985 in the Greek Dictionary -- "petrazo . . . test . . . endeaver, scrutinize, entice, discipline -- assay, examine, go about, prove, tempt . . . "
If you check out lexicons and such you discover that Greek words had a spectrum of meanings, related (Pneuma one, from wind, where we can construe it as being wind, breath, spirit, thoughts, etc.) to one another -- but the English of course wants to give it just one meaning, that meaning that the translators deem appropriate.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 24, 2004 at 9:02 AM
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Westend, sin is transgression of the Law...Jesus did not sin. He was
tempted in all points as we were and He took on man's fallen nature, but never sinned.
posted by
Ariala
on July 24, 2004 at 8:55 AM
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Nope. Jesus was definitely without sin.
posted by
TARZANA
on July 24, 2004 at 8:53 AM
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he sinned
, but he was without sin.
read betweenthe lines
Romans helps -- the basic idea of Paul's writings is that we all have sinned, yet now sin is not imputed.
We sin, yet are without sin.
same principle applies to Yeshua.
He was "tempted" in all points as we are, yet without sin. I'll check out Strong's in a minute for the original Greek word for "tempted" - remember we are reading 16th Century Anglican language when we read the KJV.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 24, 2004 at 7:01 AM
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hey sanheet seeker........peace.
posted by
Star5_
on July 23, 2004 at 9:38 PM
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I TOTALLY disagree with you...If He sinned, He needed a savior, too
and His death was for naught. I've read your other posts and see you don't believe He died for your sins, so there's not much I can say to change your mind.
posted by
Ariala
on July 23, 2004 at 7:19 PM
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