What happened to freedom of choice?  Why should our children have religion (ANY religion) forced on them by schools?  What do gods have to do with education anyway?  I don't know about America, but here in the UK parents have the right to withdraw their children from religious assemblies and that's how it should be.  It isn't just atheists who choose to do so, either.  Even Catholics do it, because the religious content of school assemblies (in state schools as opposed to Catholic schools) is Church of England oriented.  Yet, the Church of England also have their own schools!  Why should their teachings be inflicted on state schools (which at the end of the day are secular) as well as their own?

posted by Witty_Woman on September 28, 2004 at 5:50 PM | link to this | reply

Good points!

posted by Ariala on May 1, 2004 at 3:11 PM | link to this | reply

no, westwend- they're too busy trying to remove nartivity scenes...
take any mention of God out of textbooks, ban prayer in schools, and generally shove God and religion out of public life. Get real.

posted by AnCatubh on May 1, 2004 at 2:31 PM | link to this | reply

Are athiests knocking on my door?
Are agnostics trying to save me?
Scare the Hell out of me?
cornering me at work and asking "Are you saved?"
Are atheists going overseas and trying to dissuade others from their religion; or do they feel that any particular Christian religion is worse than others and trying to convert their friends in that religion over to theirs.

posted by Xeno-x on April 30, 2004 at 5:01 PM | link to this | reply

I'm not an idiot and I know that many people have different views from mine. I don't lose sleep over it. I'm drawn to opposing opinions and have read a number of your postings. The differences don't bother me. You make a number of interesting points and I appreciate your thoughtfulness.
I certainly don't feel victimized. That wasn't the point. You know, I'm sure, that Christianity(like some other religions)maintains that there is such a thing as absolute truth. My point was that I find in the writings of yourself and some others the view that Christians just don't get it- that there is no such thing as absolute truth-everyone has there own spirituality. Those may or may not be your words-can't remember where I saw them. And it's a point which gets made with a considerable amount of heat. The irony of that struck me as it IS an absolute truth to say there is no absolute truth. And the tone of many of these blogs is not unlike the ranters (who definitely exist) that you and others have issue with.

There are many takes on Christianity; not all are of an intellectual bent. I, for one, would like to see some cogent refutations of aspects of Christianity. I find it helps me contemplate and delve into things I hold on faith. I can be sarcastic and I apologize for that. Sometimes it's hard not to respond in kind.

So let's hear it. I will respect your points of view and keep my acid tongue in check.

posted by AnCatubh on April 26, 2004 at 5:19 PM | link to this | reply

If you really go and read some of the blogs out there, the Atheists and the agnostics who are out right attacking. We do talk about why we do not believe, but we do in a much less 'force-it-on-you' manner than the Christians here do. Now there are a few who are a more aggressive, but that is not the norm. The problem comes from the fact that if it agrees with your views you are blinded to it and do not see it as being forced, because to you it is right.

I am getting tired of having to point this out to so many Christians here. You all really do want to make everyone think you are victims, when you are all far, far from it. You will never get the message because it is not what you want to hear. And to you any message that disagrees with what you believe is aggressive. I already know that everything I saying here is going to be ignored by you due to the simple blindness that you will never admit to. You will most likely turn all this into some great attack on you and try to discredit me somehow.

When you are ready to start growing and accept that people will not have the same ideas about life that you do, then you should start reading those blogs again. Until then I recommend you stay away form Blogs that might bother you.

posted by kooka_lives on April 26, 2004 at 3:55 PM | link to this | reply

you are so right about that. I wrote that post after seeing so many writings that kinda had a zealot feel to them--all written by atheists or agnostics. I like to read differing opinions but found most of them to be rants, not ideas. I have enjoyed your writings--very thoughtful and well put.

posted by AnCatubh on April 26, 2004 at 3:16 PM | link to this | reply

Some people dump religion because the want to "do as they please." They don't want rules. They want to "sin" and not feel bad about it, but some people dump religion for intellectual reasons.

posted by aardvark on April 26, 2004 at 2:01 PM | link to this | reply

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